Is the US shooting itself in the foot by banning Huawei?

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Icmer

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Most of my Chinese colleagues (high-tech industry) have settled and are raising their families here. As far as I understood, they want to enjoy a high quality of life. If China would offer them that, I imagine they would go back. After all, that's where most of their relatives are still living.

Unlike in China, they have the freedom here to purchase and own property in a city of their choosing, instead of being screwed by the Hukou. Also they and their kids get to enjoy top-tier social welfare.

In certain places and companies in China, you will find thousands of engineers and managers who previously worked at top Silicon Valley firms, not to mention the many startups whose founders came back from studying or working abroad.

This is why anecdotes don't work in this situation. Come to China, and you will experience a different kind of confirmation bias.
 

s002wjh

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That's not really true is it? the US has a habit of appropriating every tech innovation in the "west" (plus Japan and Korea) as "theirs", throwing up barriers so that if you put an American screw in your widget they decide what you can and can't do with the widget and claim "Dominance"! I think the yiddish word for it is 'chutzpah'

Contrast that with the talking point that anything done in "backwards" China is theft and copied (lets not start with Russian engineering and the air brushing of their contributions to science!).

I mean Columbus 'discovered' America (there wasn't anyone there already, honest!) and other 'truths' we are brought up with!

There are a few fields where the US can still claim "dominance" but they are far from THE dominant tech player (patenting round corners doesn't make you dominant!), which is the root of the current "trade dispute" the western mindset felt safe behind its world view that "East Asians" can't innovate just copy a view that persisted for decades, the shock to the system in the 21st century when they discovered that the notion isn't actually true is what's causing the geopolitical problems of today.

The rise of China is akin to a latter day "slave rebellion" after all how dare they want equality, they should just be happy buying our superior soya beans to feed pigs and providing the cheap labour that make our lives better not to have these uppity dreams about making theirs better.

You know that spare cash you've made from your hard work if you can just lend us say another trillion so we can build some more ships to harass you, you won't need to worry you little brains with how to spend it! All this building 5G networks and semiconductors should be left to others, we know best, we're Americans and we're here to help! :rolleyes:

can you disprove that or you have link. There are field EU/japan/Skorea is on par or better than US, but overall US is still has the tech edge. its not like i didn't live in china or dont have family in china. So far i haven't heard that many chinese global brand compare to US. kudo to china progress, but dont get cocky over it.
 

s002wjh

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Chinese students increasingly return home after studying abroad

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Basically the return rate has increased from 20% to 80% in the past decade.

Though the number of students studying abroad has increased. That's probably why you still see so many who stick around (Hope Max is more informed after this).


I'm closely tied to Industry and Academia. I know for sure that more and more Chinese students are going home. Even the older generation have started to return because life for them in the US is a dead end. No one to talk with, family still in China, no help when you need it, sinophobia, and many other reasons for this.

You hear stories about how engineers, doctors, PhDs come to the US to wash dishes. Then you wonder what they could have become had they stayed back.


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yes more student going back to china. but there are also mroe foreign student study in US. tens-hundreds thousands chinese student here, not including student from india/middle east/other asia countries etc. while H1B quota is 85k. after graduate if they cant find jobs, then they have to go back. go ask ANY of chinese/indian student how many want to stay to find jobs, get green card etc vs go back.
 

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s002wjh

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I've said this before and I'll say it again: it all depends on what those people are capable of. If they have nothing to truly contribute, they will choose to stay in the US because there's no place for people with linear value in China. When they develop themselves to become force multipliers instead of linear, then they will find China a much better place to live even without loyalty considered. And one of the biggest concerns of the US government is that even with green-cards and citizenship, Chinese people aren't really Americans and they're only here for the goods, not for love or loyalty. That citizenship card is just a ticket for stuff; nobody's a fan.

My attitude, cocky, humble or both, has nothing to do with how China progresses here. It's just a friendly chat forum. The attitudes here pertaining to a different field have no effect on the efforts that I put into my endeavors and being cocky doesn't necessarily mean to rest on your laurels either. Nothing wrong with a couple of high-fives and drinks after your milestones or to congratulation yourself (of course, at this level of competition, you can only congratulate yourself in comparison to your rival) unless you stop moving afterwards. And I don't see China moving slower at all.

there is no issue with high five and some boosting, but over doing it, is not good. China still has long road ahead. what are you talking about linear etc. plenty chinese-american invest in china, but their home still in US, they constantly travel to china make some $$$ then come back, none of them decide permanently go back to china unless they get huge $$$, but thats rare. also are you living in China or in a western country? if its the latter why.
 

gelgoog

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To a large degree from what I understand someone who is educated and has actual skills can easily get to live in one of the cities in China provided you purchase a property title. Of course this is not easy for someone who is from one of the rural regions. But those kinds of people are typically not who you find studying in one of the colleges in the US given their ridiculously high tuition fees. I doubt Chinese who can afford to study in the US would have issues with the Chinese registry system.
 

zealotaiur485

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there is no issue with high five and some boosting, but over doing it, is not good. China still has long road ahead. what are you talking about linear etc. plenty chinese-american invest in china, but their home still in US, they constantly travel to china make some $$$ then come back, none of them decide permanently go back to china unless they get huge $$$, but thats rare. also are you living in China or in a western country? if its the latter why.

Chinese people are individuals too. We don't all need to be humble, keeping our head down, etc..
If some want to take pride in their motherland's success, then let them. If everyone just keeps being humble and acting the same, it'll be too boring.
China has improved so much since the 1990s, whereas certain other countries that started off at the same starting line (as China) are still stagnant.
People partying and celebrating their achievements is normal.
 

s002wjh

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yes, it was mentioned in the article that stricter visa/green card process is also part of the reason why more go back.

As a whole, however, Chinese are no longer begging to live overseas like a few decades ago when Chinese living standards were low. Now it's comparable to the global average.

i do agree alot chinese has more choice now, my point is US still attract talent immigrants, and these immigrants help US tech alot. and most these immigrant become american, and their kids is pretty much integrate into american culture.
 
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s002wjh

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Chinese people are individuals too. We don't all need to be humble, keeping our head down, etc..
If some want to take pride in their motherland's success, then let them. If everyone just keeps being humble and acting the same, it'll be too boring.
China has improved so much since the 1990s, whereas certain other countries that started off at the same starting line (as China) are still stagnant.
People partying and celebrating their achievements is normal.

there is difference between confidence vs over-confidence. be proud of your own country accomplishments is fine, but start bashing US decline or weakness etc, just cocky. what deng xiao peng said "Keep a cool head and maintain a low profile. but aim to do something big"
 
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