Is the US shooting itself in the foot by banning Huawei?

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TerraN_EmpirE

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Some suspect that the Huawei arrest was the response to the PRC who have denied return of a family of American citizens a mother and some children who visited the PRC because their Ex Husband and father is wanted by the PRC.

For the record it's not a kangaroo court;
she is in a extradition hearing pending her actual day in court.
" Kangaroo court" is a often misused term. For a court that ignores the laws and standards or has little actual power in the nation or state it is held in. Or intentionally disregards it's duty and obligations to the laws.
There is no indication of either thus far.
 

gelgoog

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Some suspect that the Huawei arrest was the response to the PRC who have denied return of a family of American citizens a mother and some children who visited the PRC because their Ex Husband and father is wanted by the PRC.

For the record it's not a kangaroo court;
she is in a extradition hearing pending her actual day in court.
" Kangaroo court" is a often misused term. For a court that ignores the laws and standards or has little actual power in the nation or state it is held in. Or intentionally disregards it's duty and obligations to the laws.
There is no indication of either thus far.

It is kinda lame that they incarcerated her without notifying her or her lawyers of the reason why she was incarcerated though. All we have heard so far are rumours running around the news but none of this is official. It seems to me like a fishing expedition.
 

B.I.B.

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[QUOTE="TerraN_EmpirE, post: 535176, member: 40"
Now yes American companies have been caught with there hand in the Iranian cookie jar from time to time. But does letting this case slide help anything? No.
If she goes to extradition. One can imagine Huawei will be less inclined to offer services.[/QUOTE]

What sort of punishment did the perps get?
 

AssassinsMace

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The American held in China because he permanently blinded someone in a fight? The naturally meek and weak Chinese man harassed an American football player to where if it were in the US he would've been shot dead because he's black? I highly doubt the Steve Bannon brigade straight from his playbook to fight the Chinese threat to Western supremacy behind this arrest could care less especially when they've defended white nationalism and arresting a Huawei executive was revenge for him...? No this arrest is purely a tactic to counter the Chinese threat to Western dominance in the world. It's game over because the US has to resort to geo-political kidnapping and extortion and taking political prisoners in the guise of the rule of law to win against China. Yes the US is the new Roman Empire and TV and social media are the coliseum to distract the masses from its decadence right before the fall. The US is going to start arresting Chinese executives to undermine China in the hopes it will impede China's technological march ahead.
 

styx

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Can china bring canada on his knees with a stealth cyberattack mired to scram all their nuclear plants in the middle of winter? It is possible?
 

B.I.B.

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Can china bring canada on his knees with a stealth cyberattack mired to scram all their nuclear plants in the middle of winter? It is possible?

That is a silly idea and its that sort of possible ability is why the US has managed to turn most of the Anglo Saxon powers away from Hwawei.
 

Nightsky

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What US want is not self isolation but attempting to isolate China from a US led western world. The assumption of that move are that 1) the rest of the world including Europe and Japan, SK etc. are following US's lead, 2) that segregated world where US is in is much bigger than the China centred world. The two assumptions are all pretty shaky.

I'd say both assumtions are correct. Europe has long ceased to operate as an independent block, NZ, OZ, UK, countries start banning Huawei even without proof for backdoors. That said, the fixe eyes are installing backdoors anyway, so basically banning China is more of a political statement than a realy try to avoid installed backdoors. The western countries will follow suit on banning Huawei. After all, Canada and MExico even accepted a clause that NAFTA is done for if they agree on free trade with countries like China. I guess you underestimate the dominance the US has in the western hemisphere nowadays.
 

AndrewS

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We live in the internet of things these days. 4G, 4GLTE Perminate all of our lives deeply. More and more land cable is being cut and more and more we live in the cloud as does military and agency security.
Having a more secure network is critical for infrastructure.
5G is that next big step, however security is just as critical as speed and quality.
On both sides of the Pacific there is deep worry about the Security of there telecoms.
Already the PRC showed that degree of worry about the Security of American products remember the uproar about when Xi' s wide was shown with an IPhone ( still the most popular phone in China).
Is allowing a foreign maker with a questionable status already in regards to PRC intrest to have a virtual monopoly over key industry infrastructure in the PRC best interest?
Is allowing a foreign maker with a questionable status already in regards to American intrest to have a virtual monopoly over key industry infrastructure in the American best interest?
I phrase the question. Twice because if yes to one version then Yes should be to the other.

Networks are the heart of national security these days. They touch every aspect of a nation, civil, financial, governmental, security, transportation, law enforcement all of it. Including National intelligence and defence networks.

Even basic services like heating, electrical, food, water and sewage it all has some attachment to the tendrils to the cloud and network.
If the network is not "Secure" than it's all a house of cards.

Huawei may have the 5G advantage but is the juice worth the squeeze?
Is installing a high speed telecom system worth it if there is the potential that that network can become the very harbinger of its own collapse? If the data on it can be compromised or if the network can be used as a weapon?

No. Should be the answer.

Even if that is just paranoia on my part.
There is another side of this story. Huawei' s CFO and the Daughter of its founder has been in a Canadian jail awaiting the decision on whether she gets a trip South of the boarder to US custity. Why? Because Huawei allegedly was circumventing Iranian sanctions. By using the Huawei name and brand to shuffle loans and money's from banks to an Iranian branding. If true than already Huawei has shown it's doesn't care about the American interest or security or sanction. And as such would be sanctioned it's self.
Now yes American companies have been caught with there hand in the Iranian cookie jar from time to time. But does letting this case slide help anything? No.
If she goes to extradition. One can imagine Huawei will be less inclined to offer services.

I agree. But it will come at a cost to the US economy.

The funny thing is, Huawei kit is probably more secure than its 2 competitors (Ericsson and Nokia).

Huawei hardware/software is subject to greater testing with dedicated security centres (eg. the UK Cyber Security Centre), when compared with Ericsson/Nokia kit.

And we just had a nationwide meltdown in the UK of one of the main mobile networks. It affected 32million SIM cards. That's half the population out of 65million people.
It was caused by Ericsson not updating a security certificate in its software.
It affected Softbank Japan and other countries as well.

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