Iranian Military News, Reports, Data, etc.

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    le foto del lancio del sottomarino Fateh nel cantiere navale a nord di Bandar Abbas, hanno mostrato un'altra sorpresa, come si può vedere nel cerchio rosso un'altra fregata è quasi completata.

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    Could you please post in English???
     
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    excuse me
    the photos of the launch of the Fateh submarine in the shipyard north of Bandar Abbas, showed another surprise, as you can see in the red circle another frigate is almost completed.
     
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    Quite a huge "only" it is. F-5 isn't even fully capable of blind intercept.
    Avionics/weapons/capability gap is simply incredible.
    Furthermore, FC-1 specifications, in the end, are better than F-5e, all across the board.

    Basic problem with freedom fighter always was being...ehhh...just a bit not enough of a plane. Even back when it was born. So, right now, it really is borderline useless in a2a.
    Even "numbers" are of no use, since Iran would struggle to match even its gulf opponents in this regard, much less the US.
     
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    I posted that reply almost 6 months ago! You are replying to it now?
    Also reread the history of the F5. When first introduced it was the 1960s. It was found in trials by both the Russians and US vs Mig21 to be a match. In Combat operations Ethiopian F5 dominated against mig21 armed Somali forces. In the Iran Iraq war F5 easily took on Iraqi Airforce Mig21, Mig23, Mirage and Su22.
    Aircraft of its class an era were easily matched or surpassed by F5. It was however the start of the radar era and edge of the first of the 4th gens were emerging.
    your point? What could they do? Iran has been locked out of late model 4.5 gens their air forces are made up of the scraps the Russians have slid them under the table and the remnants of the Iranian Imperial Air Forces.
    I never said they could match the US or Israel for that matter against Iraq now they might be able to operate but that’s because Iraq is pretty much half dominated by them anyway.

    Against other Gulf states. Harder to gage as many operate very very modern fighters next to very very ancient birds. The F14 might be able to equalize the modern birds out of the picture.
     
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    Necromancy is an art, too!
    In all seriousness, sorry for late answer. Noticed it right now.
    It was found to be more than a match against any fighter willing(or w/o any choice but to) to engage. Otherwise, it often was a bit helpless. Not because it couldn't bite, but because it had to find an opportunity to do so. Unlike the migs, which always could at least force the fight onto their enemy(ability to win it depended on user, though)

    Back in 1970s it was still ok...at least for those who had no choice.
    After 1991 its combat value against the US/Israel is almost nil.
    Even when upgraded mig-21s still keep certain value.

    But Iraq isn't even their enemy!
    Lets switch to their point if view. Iran either has to invest into a decently sized, decently capable air force, capable of contending against the US at least on limited scale, or there is little point even trying.
    That just fits all too well into American rulebook.
     
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    The problem for Iran is who will sell to them?
    The west? Europe is happy to sell Airliners but the US is no go on that. Combat aircraft not happening.
    China? They want money for their birds Iran doesn’t have it. Iran would want the same deal as Pakistan domestic built + Tech transfer. No go for China.
    Russia? Is a big maybe. A BIG maybe.
    Again money.
    As such what’s left? Sustainment like North Korea. Keep what they have build and upgrade what they can but military wise is fine for bombing Rebels but suicide against anyone more.
     
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