indian ocean conflict

Fairthought

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I agree with Jatt in the sense that the scenario is too far fetched to even be worthy of consideration.

First of all, Chinese and Indian navy would pussyfoot around each other because neither side wants to start a nuclear war. After jockeying for position, one side would proclaim they had the advantage and sail home to a victory parade. The other will furiously upgrade their navy for future competition.

Second, the Thai government is in America's pocket. They will Never fight for the Chinese.

Third, If this conflict was provoked by China, India would have lots of 'sudden' allies. Anyone with an axe to grind against China will lend them their services. The list includes: America, Britain, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, and Australia. Of these, America and Japan would be the most likely to take action.

South korea and Russia would remain neutral.

Fourth, if the oil conflict begins because of an Indian provocation then India would be blamed by the West for sending oil prices through the roof. The US isn't going to let anyone embargo the persian gulf, and they may send India a stern message.

India has their fleet divided: one in the Arabian Sea, the other in the Bay of Bengal. Only Indian subs, and advanced ones at that, could venture past the straits of Malaccas. But the point is India doesn't have to venture forth. The oil from the persian gulf snakes around India. The burden falls on China to secure these shipping lanes.

In the Arabian Sea, China has a friend in Pakistan. I expect chinese warships to regularly dock in Pakistani harbors by 2012. In the persian Gulf, China has a friend in Iran. In the south China sea, China has a friend in Indonesia. That leaves a big gaping hole in the Bay of Bengal.

China has two options: Help build up the Bangladeshi Navy, or the Myanmar Navy. Either one sounds like a fool's errand. These are incredibly poor countries, and a strong navy is the last thing on their mind. Also, it is still not clear if Myanmar is even pro-China. India has as much if not more influence in Myanmar.

The Indians have the advantage. That is why China is so bent on securing energy from Russian pipelines. China wants some economic insulation in case of a naval embargo.
 

ArjunMk1

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vincelee said:
and they would all go down the drain because Indians don't have ASW. Let's face it, they never really had to face a significant sub thread.

Just do some research man !!! :rofl:
Indian ASW is one of the best in Asia since Pakistani submarines are its only viable threat !!

Indian has deditaced ASW fleet of frigates with advanced radars and sonars !!!
India has Kamov helocopters dedicated for ASW .
 

Jeff Head

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Fairthought said:
That is why China is so bent on securing energy from Russian pipelines. China wants some economic insulation in case of a naval embargo.
Exactly.
 

MIGleader

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ArjunMk1 said:
Just do some research man !!! :rofl:
Indian ASW is one of the best in Asia since Pakistani submarines are its only viable threat !!

Indian has deditaced ASW fleet of frigates with advanced radars and sonars !!!
India has Kamov helocopters dedicated for ASW .

adavanced? bs. they have rockets, and torpedoes. no towed sonar, no sub hunters.

kamov? china has em too.
indisa large fleet of carreirs is going to be a big liability, since tis is not exacltly capable of protecting em.

the thais are great friends with china and would help china if requested. seeing how this is a dispute, america has no say in it.
 

DPRKUnderground

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Pakistan has the advantages in Naval Aviation and Submarines. But the Surface Fleet lacks in numbers when compared to the IN. If you ask me Pakistan needs to enhance it's littoral capabilites, I know new patrol boats are coming from Turkey, but their should be a new platform for the Babur!
 

Jeff Head

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MIGleader said:
adavanced? bs. they have rockets, and torpedoes. no towed sonar, no sub hunters.
Both the Delhis and the Godarvis carry two helicopters that can have significant ASW capabilities, with dipping sonar, electroincs and torps. In addition, the Delhis do have their own Model 15-750 variable depth sonar in addition to their active sonar.

Don't take them too lightly.
MIGleader said:
the thais are great friends with china and would help china if requested. seeing how this is a dispute, america has no say in it
In my opinion, any dispute in the area that threatens navigation or free use of the sea lanes, particularly in that area where so much of US allies oil passes...will likely see the involvement of the US Navy to protect those interests.
 

crazyinsane105

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ArjunMk1 said:
Just do some research man !!! :rofl:
Indian ASW is one of the best in Asia since Pakistani submarines are its only viable threat !!

Indian has deditaced ASW fleet of frigates with advanced radars and sonars !!!
India has Kamov helocopters dedicated for ASW .

True, but you have to remember that a sub can detect a frigate much more quickly than the frigate can detect the sub. It will be very risky for the IN to operate in such conditions. Just look at the USN: they have the best ASW in the world yet they are still very scared of Chinese subs.
 

crazyinsane105

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DPRKUnderground said:
Pakistan has the advantages in Naval Aviation and Submarines. But the Surface Fleet lacks in numbers when compared to the IN. If you ask me Pakistan needs to enhance it's littoral capabilites, I know new patrol boats are coming from Turkey, but their should be a new platform for the Babur!

There were rumors that the Babur was going to be test fired from a surface ship. We have to see if that will happen in the future.
 

tphuang

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jatt said:
:rofl:
This is too stupid for me to post anything senseable so i'll just post some better facts.
This is what the IN group would look like
Carriers
1 ADS (MiG-29K LCA Harriers)
1 Viky (MiG-29K 24 VLS Shtyl on APAR)

Dystoryers
3-Type15A Banglore Class
3-Type 15 Delhi Class
5-Rajput Class

Firgates
3-Type 17A
3-Type 17 Shivalik Class
3-Talwar Class
3-Type 16A
3-Type 16

Corvettes
6-Type 28
4-Type 25A
4-Type 25
13-Veer Class

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that's what migleader posted pretty much.

As for ASW, I looked at Talwar, it's ASW seems pretty normal.
 
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crazyinsane105

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tphuang said:
that's what migleader posted pretty much.

As for ASW, I looked at Talwar, it's ASW seems pretty normal.

The Talwar class is pretty damn deadly. That is why the IN is ordering several more.
 
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