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araberuni

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When this potential offering was announced, the immediate question that came to my mind was whether EPAWSS would be part of the package. Personally I am doubtful that the US would offer such leading edge technology given that the recently announced super interceptor upgrade for the Japanese F-15 did not include this technology. It is the most advanced electronics warfare suite in any fourth generation platform. The closest equivalent IMO is the European Typhoon ECR project with tentative IOC around 2026 and the less ambitious Rafale F-4 standard .
I am assuming India will customize F-15EX like they did for Rafale. Indian has 14 specific enhancement. Considering Donald Trump is at Whitehouse, anything possible including EPAWSS as long as India pays for it.

The US State Department approves NASAMS II for India:
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TerraN_EmpirE

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What's with US keep on offering technology is based on something 40 years old?
It’s based off the F15E model that’s 30 years old but Boeing has basically redesigned the system in such a way that it’s only missing the RCS reductions of a modern 4.5 gen.

Just like with how China and Pakistan are also offering technology of roughly comparable specs but 20 years late, because 4th gen fighters are still very capable fighters by design.

In this case the F-15EX's design age does little to blemish it's capabilities. It's huge, fast, have a AESA radar and modern avionics and can carry a mountain of ammunition to throw at the enemy.
More than a match to Pakistani air power for the foreseeable which is the aim of Indian military power.

So it's upgraded.. not much further potential.

If India want to be a future superpower, they need their own designs and manufacturing. And not depend on imports from other countries that are 40yrs old. Means anything F15/16 based or su-27 based. By the time they get it, others already moved on.
It takes a who left to build up the industry base. India doesn’t seem to aim for global hegemony but more partnerships.
 

berserk

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How is the Gun and Ammunition looking? Do you think India will upgrade from 120mm to 125mm or switch to a better German Rheinmetall 120mm L55 Gun to replace the current 120mm which is very weak compared to Guns used by other countries.
125 mm gun is under development....

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TerraN_EmpirE

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How is the Gun and Ammunition looking? Do you think India will upgrade from 120mm to 125mm or switch to a better German Rheinmetall 120mm L55 Gun to replace the current 120mm which is very weak compared to Guns used by other countries.
Moving from 120 to 125mm isn’t really an upgrade. The question is Rifled vs smooth.
Rifled lets you use more HE/ HESH/HEAT conventional shells good for blowing apart barriers. Smoothbore is better tank busting. You get APFDS shells out of it perfect for perforating T72 and the like.
The 120mm on the Arjun is rifled. However is that a killer issue not really. The guns on modern MBT are pretty much interchangeable. You can put a comparable 120mm smooth bore in a T72 Both Poland and Ukraine have. Or a 120mm rifled in a M1 or a125mm smoothbore in a Abrams it’s just that there is not really a need or want for that matter. The biggest issue is the magazines
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Here we have British 120mm rifled ammo.
Swapping ammo thats hard. Tanks interiors are tight spaces and the type of ammo dictates the type of storage. The 120mm Rifled of the British is two piece ammo like that of 125mm smooth bore.
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Here we have Russian 125mm smooth bore.
The Indian however is more like 120mm Smooth bore NATO a unitary round.
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Which results in this conundrum. They should be able to simply drop in a L44, L55 or use the Israeli MG253 and just swap the ammo to Israeli or German or American.
125 mm gun is under development....

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Yet according to Berserk the now want 125mm... Indian T72 and T90 both use 125mm so standardizing makes sense. But Again the Ammo.
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Chinese and Russian 125mm is built as binary ammo this is because they chose the carousel autoloader. Arjun uses 120mm Unitary because manually loaded.
T90 is 125mm Binary.
If they want to standardize They would need to change the ammo storage system to match the binary. Which as the British prove is not easy.
The Challanger 2 basically needs a new turret to change to the L55 gun.
The alternative is establish a totally new 125mm unitary type. In which case WHAT THE BLEEP!!
Now the Russians did experiments with a 125mm unitary in the past but clearly that never came to be used. This would mean that the T90 and T72 in India have one ammo system and the Arjun 125mm would have a second with any unmodified 120mm Arjun a third. Do we see the problem?

India seems like it cant make up its mind so it over complicates things. Most nations pick a tank gun type and only change if it becomes clear its not that effective. This is why you have 125mm And 120mm smooth bore as the big two.
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There has been flirtation with 140 or 152mm but no actual production.
 

berserk

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Chances of foreign fighters in large numbers is zero.... We are having serious financial crunch for next decade.... & fiscal situation won't improve anytime soon either.
 
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