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one of my trustd sources says that the Ministry of Defence has ordered negotiations for 60 PAK FA's, November 2 will likely ba an important date

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1 akula
2 kilos
S400
PAK FA
mi17
3 improved Talwars
Ka226
and possiby more su 30's

Indeed it is, so many toys, so little time?? It looks like the Russians are making every effort to get PAK-FA back up and testing, and as I stated earlier, looks like the Indians will buy 60 2nd engineering change PAK-FA?? then consider the Indian FGFA as a follow on, depending upon how well things proceed?
 

Jeff Head

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Why is a rotor platform construed best anti-uav platform? My logic states you could have many uavs cheaply, with advanced targeting, capable of saturating an enemy airspace and decimating any fixed rotor platform.QUOTE]
Those UAVs have to come from some place.

Far out to sea...where will they come from?

You cannot have a swarm of UAVs protecting every one of your subs...particularly if those subs are trying to maneuver close to a warship.

So, a rotary ASW platform is more apt to be able to interdict such an attempt by a sub.

The type of cheap UAVs you are talking about would have relatively short range.
 

Jeff Head

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We have seen numerous photos now of the Vikramaditya with up to seven aircraft aboard.

I wanted to look at how they have been spotting them and make csome conclusions.

We have seen as many as five spotted on the deck, forward of the island on the starboard side:

Vikram-5Forward.jpg

we have also seen up to seven aircraft spotted aft of the island on the starboard side:

Vikram-7Aft.jpg

Those seven above were all spotted from the tower aft of the island on the carrier back. we know that they can spot a couple of more aircraft at that tower and forward.

If we presume that the furthest aircraft above on the left is at the tower...then that means they could spot up to eight aircraft aft of the island.

With eight aft and five forward, we are up to 13 aircraft spotted on deck along the side. but also there could be two at the launch points, and another two spotted behind them preparing for launch...or up to four more.

Vikram-spotting.jpg

From this, I believe in a full operational mode, with a maximum effort, the Vikramaditya could have up to 17 or 18 Mig-29Ks on deck.
 

aksha

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In what could easily be said the biggest ever defence deal with Russia, India has stitched a contract to acquire S-400 anti-ballistic missile systems from Moscow at a cost of around Rs 70,000 crores, top sources in the Defence Ministry said here today.
The modalities, including the price of deal and number of systems to be acquired, were agreed upon in the meeting of India-Russia Inter Governmental Commission on Military-Technical-Cooperation (IRIGC-MTC) which concluded today in Moscow, with Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar co-chairing it jointly with his Russian counterpart Sergei Shoigu.
The mega deal, along with an agreement to get another nuclear submarine, is likely to be formally signed during the visit to Russia of Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who would be travelling to Moscow sometime in December for an annual summit with President Vladimir Putin, the sources told UNI.
 

FORBIN

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India to Lease Another Nuclear Submarine From Russia

The Indian Navy will lease another nuclear-powered submarine from Russia,
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reports. The 10-year lease agreement will likely be signed at the Russian-Indian summit in December, according to a source at India’s Defense Ministry.
India’s Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar will meet Russia’s Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu next week in Moscow to discuss details.
“Parrikar will hold talks on this strategic project with his Russian counterpart Sergey Shoigu. After the ten-year contract is signed another two or three years will be required for upgrading the submarine in keeping with India’s requirements,” the source told TASS.
The Russian submarine likely to be handed over to the Indian Navy will be the Kashalot K-322 nuclear-powered attack submarine (NATO classification Akula II-class), a ship that has served in Russia’s Pacific Fleet since early 1989 and is currently under repair.
The 8,140-ton Kashalot has a submerged speed of 30 knots and an operating depth of 530 meters. It holds a crew of 73 and is equipped with four 650 millimeter and four 533 millimeter torpedo tubes.
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to the website RusNavy.com, the submarine achieved a Russian navy record in the summer of 1991 by trailing foreign submarines for over 14 days without interruption.
The likely transfer date of the Kashalot will be in late 2018, given that it will take approximately three years to modernize and test the boat, as well as to train an Indian submarine crew for it.
The Kashalot would not be the first Russian submarine to enter the service of the Indian Navy. “If the contract is signed, it will be the third Russia-built submarine handed over to the Indian Navy,” a Russian military source at the Russian embassy in New Delhi explained to TASS.
“For the first time India leased a Russian nuclear submarine for ten years back in the early 1980s. In 2012 the Indian Navy leased Russia’s K-152 Nerpa submarine of project 971. This is a customary and well-tested way of cooperation by our countries in the military-technical sphere.”
The K-152 Nerpa, rechristened INS Chakra, was inducted in March 2012.
The Indian Navy’s first indigenously developed ballistic missile nuclear submarine (SSBN), INS Arihant, the lead vessel of the Indian Navy’s future fleet of four (some media reports say five) Arihant-class SSBNs, is based on the Russian Project 971 Akula I-class nuclear-powered attack boats.
As I
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before, readiness rates within the Indian Navy’s submarine fleet are below 40 percent. On paper, the fleet currently consists of 15 boats: nine Russian SSK Kilo-class (Sindhugosh), four locally-built SSK U209 Shishumar-Class, the leased INS Chakra SSN, and the INS Arihant.

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Jeff Head

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As I expected and forecast.

This will be important for the Indians, to have two very decent SSNs.

My guess is that this deal will be like the existing deal. A ten year lease, renewable once so that the sub is paid off and then owned by India.

And it is another Akula II...this time a Russian operational SSN. Very good, very capable SSNs. Not as quiet or deadly as the Sea Wolf, Astute, or Virginia's...but a deadly threat to them nonetheless.

No commander of those others could afford to make any mistakes against an Akula II with a good commander and crew.
 

FORBIN

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And it is another Akula II.
No Akula I :) for noise Akula I/II about same as a LA, Akula III about a 688i.
Mainly with 2 they can have always one operationnal and eventualy one for each coast right now Chakra is with Eastern Naval Command maybe other for Western.
 

Jeff Head

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How many years has that Akula got left in it? It's nearly 30 years old already.
Well, they are large subs built with the best steel Russia had at the time. She was commissioned in 1988...27 years ago.

If it has been taken care of and receives a good refit, there is no reason why it cannot last another 20 years.

The US navy is still operating a number of Los Angeles class submarines that were commissioned in the late 1970s. 37 and 38 years old now.

As I say, the Kashalot was commissioned in 1988...and is now 27 years old. So she can easily last through the two lease periods if she is taken care of...easily though the first ten year lease..
 
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