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Blitzo

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Yeah, it says subsequent ships will enter service once every two years; is that because their shipyard can only fabricate one hull at a time?
I'd be interested to know what kind of armament P15B has... P15A, despite its impressive 16 Brahmos missiles, is still only limited to x32 70km range Barak 8 SAMs. It's a modern, capable missile, but they are a bit on the light side in both number and range compared to the air defence ships of most other modern navies.
 

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more sophisticated weaponry such as:
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land-attack cruise missiles, supersonic anti-ship
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They will operate two helicopters, and are expected to displace approximately 8,000
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at full displacement (500 tonnes more than 15A)
It has been reported that an ER (extended range) variant of the Barak 8 is under development, which will see the missiles maximum range increased to 100 km
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More polyvalent him with CM and maybe a new Brahmos variant.
A Nirbhay air variant is also planned for Su-30MKI.
 

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NEW DELHI and TOKYO — Japan has shown little interest in competing its Soryu-class submarines in the Indian Navy's $12 billion tender for six conventional air independent propulsion (AIP) subs, an Indian Defence Ministry source said.

Indian Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar asked his counterpart, Gen Nakatani, during their March 30-31 meeting in Tokyo, to offer the Soryu but the Japanese side remained "non committal," the MoD source added.

Indian Navy officials and submarine experts are also divided about whether the Soryu class could serve Indian Navy requirements.
 

Jeff Head

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Yeah, it says subsequent ships will enter service once every two years; is that because their shipyard can only fabricate one hull at a time?

Well, we saw them build two of the Project 15B, Kolkata's as once there. I have to believe they could if they wanted.


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I'd be interested to know what kind of armament P15B has... P15A, despite its impressive 16 Brahmos missiles, is still only limited to x32 70km range Barak 8 SAMs. It's a modern, capable missile, but they are a bit on the light side in both number and range compared to the air defence ships of most other modern navies.

Well, I too believe that the 32 VLS for the Barak-8 is understrength. Originally they had talked about 64...and when you look at those A2A VLS cells, there seems to be to be enough room fore and aft to do it.

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Oh well, 32 Barak 8 is far better in terms of area coverage than they have had before, and with four of the Project 15B, or Visakhapatnam class, I believe they will get there.

As to Project 15B, or Visakhapatnam class, I believe they will have 64 cells. They are doing some more stealth work on the hull, making the decks flush and what not, and they are definitely going to have the Barak 8-ER with longer range.

The best image/model of the Project 15B, Visakhapatnam class, I have seen it this:

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aksha

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The future of the Indian military will depend on the successful development of a new triad—special forces, cyber-electronic warfare and space operations

Any major power has competing visions within its military-strategic community over the nature of future warfare. India is no exception. While the Indian Navy typically emphasizes the importance of strategic manoeuvre in the sea commons over an interconnected geo-economic space, the Indian Army essentially remains focused on border and insurgent threats. The Indian Air force justifies its much larger capital budget than the other two by promoting a “capabilities” approach that would apparently give it the flexibility to support the other two across the spectrum of warfare, though its main priority is air superiority in a regional context.

However, since a 2009 directive by the Ministry of Defence (MoD) to the military to prepare for a two-front war with China and Pakistan, “conventional deterrence” is the buzzword that has ended up making India the largest importer of non-nuclear platforms in the world.

Naturally, this is an unsustainable state of affairs and the Indian military of 2020 must accept an affordable level of “conventional deterrence” that is supported through indigenous means. The focus should be on creating usable levers for projecting Indian power through the adoption of a new triad of special forces, cyber-electronic warfare and space operations. This new triad will also force the services to actually work with each other rather than give lip service to jointness. In a world characterized by nuclear deterrence, intelligence-deniability operations are the key to settling matters between states and transnational interests. Conventional strength, after all, can only provide a strong defence. But the best defence is always offence.

At the moment, six billion dollars from the Indian budget leaks to foreign arms manufacturers every year, reflecting an unacceptable drain of resources that should ideally be providing a domestic multiplier for jobs and growth. However, the focus of domestic military R&D over the years had been on strategic deterrence where no imports were possible. There was no emphasis or focus on developing platforms such as heavy combat jets like the Su-30 MKI or heavy transport aircraft like the C-17. It is imports in these categories, required for conventional war over appreciable distances, that have made India the importer it is today.

Nevertheless, today more than Rs 170,000 crore worth of DRDO-developed non-strategic (i.e, not including ballistic missiles and nuclear submarines) equipment has either been produced or approved for production, reflecting that a much larger defence industrial sector—warts and all—exists in India. Indeed, this is what the Modi government will have to multiply through “Make in India”, by promoting more private competition to public sector units given the obvious scope for efficiency improvements in the sector.

Moreover, it must support the almost entirely private small and medium enterprise (SME) pool in the defence sector by changing military procurement practices that are heavily skewed in favour of imports. For instance, today, a private player who may be offering completely indigenous technology is at a disadvantage to a foreign player who offers the same at a cheaper price through a mere joint venture with another domestic company. The importance of nurturing domestic intellectual property even if at a slightly higher cost cannot be understated from the perspective of operational security as well as future technological strength.

To understand this, however, a major mentality overhaul is required in India’s military, especially in the Indian Army, which, owing to its size, does not have that great a penetration of technically qualified personnel. The Indian Navy, with its insistence on an engineer-heavy officer cadre has done much better and it is no wonder that this service, despite its limited budget, is getting even aircraft carriers and submarines built in India today. In fact, the numbers required for a two-front war can simply not be had through dollar-denominated imports and this is something the Indian Army has to understand if it doesn’t want to run out of ammunition. The IAF of course knows this but is at the moment content with just 10 C-17 class aircraft, knowing that any more would completely derail its fighter aircraft import plans.

By 2020, the Army should therefore look to completely indigenize its supply chain for the entire spectrum of munitions it needs by leveraging domestic R&D and the private sector. The Ordinance Factory Boards (OFBs) cannot be relied upon to meet Indian Army’s massive needs and competition would do a world of good to union activity there. The IAF meanwhile must commit its own funds in addition to that of DRDO to create working jet engines in India, currently a critical deficiency of our aerospace sector. Here, the Modi government could also strategically leverage FDI by getting GE to build the F-414 engine powering the HAL Tejas by enticing them through large orders.

Even as India indigenizes its conventional weapons pool, the focus must now be on creating the three new joint commands for space, cyber and special operations that have been on the anvil for some time now. Even the most orthodox military strategist would accept that large scale conventional war is just as rare as nuclear war today. Indeed, modern conventional weapons, given their efficacy, are mostly being used in conflict against terrorist actors in the relatively free-fire zones of Middle Eastern deserts. No major states such as India and China are actually engaging in even limited conflict.

The new triad however gives options for countering covert pressure points, besides creating pressure points of one’s own when nuclear deterrence exists. After all, is it ever easy to decide as to precisely where a cyber attack originated from? Of course, intel may eventually surface and at that point, a symmetric cyber attack of one’s own may be considered. That intelligence itself can ultimately only be gathered through networks that are best seeded by special forces that can “work” with irregular or ad hoc groups.

Maintaining command and control across cyberspace or in regionally unstable areas requires leveraging space, besides retaining the option of applying force selectively but rapidly. It is a brave new world. Hopefully, the Indian military would have embraced it by 2020.

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First Glimpse: Lead Ship Of India's Visakhapatnam-class Destroyers

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Here's Visakhapatnam, the first indigenously designed & built Project 15 Bravo destroyer. The hull will be launched Monday.

The Indian Navy put out this brochure on the P15 Bravo line today, which provides the first official parameters of the vessel.

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The crest of the Indian Navy's 1st Visakhapatnam-class destroyer: the city's iconic dolphin nose & a Blackbuck.
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Official Indian Navy impression of P15B destroyer Visakhapatnam released today.

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INS Vikramaditya to get teeth, will be fitted with Barak missiles

India's largest warship INS Vikaramaditya will finally get its own air defence system, courtesy of another ship that may be decommissioned soon. The navy plans to transfer an Israeli Barak missile system from a Godavari-class ship to the aircraft carrier that was bought from the Russians.

This will be a shot in the arm for the over Rs 15,000-crore aircraft carrier that has been without a defence system, since it joined the Indian Navy in November 16, 2013.

"We have a plan to install a system from one of our ships, which perhaps may be decommissioned at a subsequent stage. The system is operational and we have certain plans," Vice-Admiral A V Subhedar, Controller of Warship Production and Acquisition told media persons.

The aircraft carrier does not have any self-defence weapons on board, barring a chaff and flare system. An escort group of warships had been sent to Russia to bring the carrier to India.

The new installation will take place during the ongoing 'short refit' that is been carried out on the carrier at Karwar. Interestingly, it does not even have a close-in weapon system to shoot down incoming air attacks at very close range.

Sources said a CIWS, again from a Godavari-class ship, will also be installed on it during the ongoing refit. Vikramaditya, a floating airfield, has an overall length of about 284 metres and a maximum beam of about 60 metres, stretching as much as three football fields put together.

Standing about 20 storeys tall from the keel to the highest point, the ship has a total of 22 decks and carries 1,600 personnel.

Its logistics requirements include nearly a lakh of eggs, 20,000 litres of milk and 16 tonnes of rice per month. With her complete stock of provisions, she is capable of sustaining herself at sea for about 45 days.

It is a modified Kiev-class aircraft carrier, which was purchased by India from Russia for the Indian Navy in 2013. The ship has been renamed in honour of Vikramaditya, a legendary 1st century BC emperor.

Originally built as Baku and commissioned in 1987, the carrier served with the Soviet (until the dissolution of the Soviet Union) and Russian Navies before being decommissioned in 1996, it being too expensive to operate.

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Agni-III successfully test fired from Odisha coast
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BALASORE (ODISHA): India today successfully test fired its nuclear-capable Agni-III ballistic missile with a strike range of more than 3,000 km from Wheeler Island off Odisha coast.

The indigenously developed surface-to-surface missile was test fired from a mobile launcher at launch complex-4 of the Integrated Test Range (ITR) at Wheeler Island by army at about 0955 hrs, defence sources said.

"The trial, carried out by the Strategic Forces Command (SFC of the Indian Army), wa

s fully successful," ITR Director M V K V Prasad told PTI.

Logistic support for the test was provided by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).

"It was the third user trial in the Agni-III series carried out to establish the 'repeatability' of the missile's performance," a DRDO official said.

For data analyses, the entire trajectory of today's trial was monitored through various telemetry stations, electro- optic systems and sophisticated radars located along the coast and by naval ships anchored near the impact point, the sources said.

The Agni-III missile is powered by a two-stage solid propellant system. With a length of 17 metres, the missile's diameter is 2 metres and launch weight is around 50 tonnes.

It can carry a warhead of 1.5 tonne which is protected by carbon all composite heat shield.

The sleek missile, already inducted into the armed forces, is equipped with hybrid navigation, guidance and control systems along with advanced on board computer.

The electronic systems connected with the missile are hardened for higher vibration, thermal and acoustic effects, a DRDO scientist said.

Though the first developmental trial of Agni-III carried out on July 9, 2006 could not provide desired result, subsequent tests on April 12 , 2007, May 7, 2008, February 7, 2010 as well as the first user trial on September 21, 2012 and next on December 23, 2013 from the same base were all successful.

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First Glimpse: Lead Ship Of India's Visakhapatnam-class Destroyers


Official Indian Navy impression of P15B destroyer Visakhapatnam released today.

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Hmmm, based on that "official" picture, it looks like the Project 15B will still have only 32 Barak-8 VLS tubes. That's still too few IMHO for a vessel of this displacement and capability.

I had though they were increasing the number.
 
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