India to keenly watch PAF's `coming of age'

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  1. SABRE
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    U did miss out dint u.

    There are two phases of upgrading of Mirages of PAF. One is handled by PAC Kamra other by SEGAM in France.

    PAC Kamra has upgraded Mirage-3s with Italian Grifo M Radar which has look down - shoot down & BVR capability. Also HUD, Forward Looking Infra Red (FLIR) Pod. BVR H-1 & H-2 bombs. HOTAS controls, RWR's chaff/flare, Besides some say that Kamra upgrade mirages can carry side winders aswell.

    SEGAM has still kept its secret. They are not revealing the Radar. Some reports say that the new Radar on Mirage-5 of PAF has multi-targeting capability. SEGAM officials only said that with the latest upgrades Mirages are the best fighters in PAF inventory, even better than current F-16 Fleet of PAF.

    My Friend do you think ACM, AFM will give away big informations to public. where are you from Cambodia (kidding dont mind). The upgrading by PAC & SEGAM was kept secret & it still is, even though both plants have came out that they have upgraded mirages to advance versions. Even France did not allow the secrecy to be revealed to public & press during Paris Air Show. They covered Mirage-5 of PAF with black cloth & took the pics of MICA mounted on it them selves & handed over to press.

    Besides you are talking of old reports. Talk of new. This is new report my friend.

    (I'll find u the pic of Mirage-5 with MICA on it for u)
     
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    Friend, its not the pciture Mirage ROSE-III being stationed with a MICA I'm worried about, I'm worried about the fact that when there are supposedly advanced avionics, a FLIR system, and other devices fitted into the small nose of a Mirage V, there isn't any room for radars. Unless SAGEM designed a combat radar with 100km range, I doubt PAF will risk putting MICA on a plane which won't fully utilize its capability. I'd like to see atleast one source of information, perhaps a card, a interview, or even a sketch of an arrow pointing to the radar.

    If the Mirage ROSE II and III does have a radar, some adequate proof would be nice. Other than that, I highly doubt the ROSE II or III will carry MICA, perhaps the ROSE-I can, JF-17 can (once its radar is finally decided).
     
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    Have you ever noticed that when ever PAF Mirages come out of up gradation their nose is extended.

    PAF is utilizing these avionics for temp periods till JF-17 is ready. These avionics would be removed from it & installed on JF-17. By than pilots would have gain substantion experiance on these packages.
     
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    Well...after my last post, I did some digging and researching, to find you the following pieces of information;

    This is from PakDef's Usman Shabbir;
    http://www.pakdef.info/forum/showpost.php?p=56426&postcount=10

    From this thread;
    http://www.pakdef.info/forum/showthread.php?t=6458&page=1&pp=25

    This is the quote I want you to look at;
    What is ROSE II you may ask?

    This is from Usman Shabbir earlier;
    http://www.pakdef.info/forum/showpost.php?p=32223&postcount=6

    You'll have to scroll down though...but here's the quote;
    You must note, I'm not denying that the PAF has or will get MICA, I'm simply denying the claim about it being stationed on Mirage ROSE III, as it won't be able to make full use of the missile.

    PS. I hope you're not underestimating me because of my age, because I would seriously love for you to prove me wrong ;)
     
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    what? JF-17 is supposed to be better than F-16A/B? I thought J-10 is only at the C/D level
     
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    A JF-17 better than a F-16?

    Thats bullsh*t.

    A JF-17 is a one engine Mig-29 at best. How can it be compared to a F-16? One engine planes are a sorry excuse for fighter aircraft.
     
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    It depends how you compare the JF-17 to the PAF's current F-16A/B Block-15, if you're comparing range and payload, then the F-16 obviously wins. On the other hand, if you're to compare the JF-17's avionics, weapons, and systems, especially the ones in its initial stage to the current model F-16 in the PAF, then I must say the JF-17 wins. Why? Well the first production model JF-17 hosts a more advanced cockpit, it'll carry BVR and PG weapons, its radar is supposed to be better too. However, please note that if the PAF's F-16s do get the MLU, as well as new weapon systems, then it wins. Yet again, also note the JF-17 I'm bringing is merely its initial form, in its 2nd or 3rd upgrade, it'll definately be superior to the current model F-16 PAF operates.

    However on the general basis, F-16 is far superior, given that it has a much more solid combat record, and the latest version can and will slaughter the JF-17. The JF-17 is at best comparable to the A/B Block-5, 10, and 15, and doesn't go beyond that, atleast not yet.
    BTW many of the world's most popular aircraft are single engine aircraft, such as the MiG-21, F-16, Mirage 2000, etc. Come to think of it, even the world's first jet fighters, atleast the X1 were single engine, not a good way to insult the fathers of jet fighter technology is it?

    I also suggest you provide proof or adequate understanding behind your claims, before you start stating other's claims as BS. Given that such un supportive claims, as well as personal opinions without reasoning come up to being spam.
     
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    Not really dude .. its a contractual clause .. another clause in the Ruskie Sino agreement is that .. if any Russian company places a bid on a tender, China can't offer the FC-1 for that potential buyer

    But I doubt Russia is worried the FC1 will eat MiG29's market share. They are different planes. The FC1 is the MiG MFI (MiG33) design. Its role, similar to the MiG21, is that of a high speed interceptor.

    Whereas the role of the MiG29 variants vary from that of a Multi role fighter/bomber and the Latest MiG 29 UB (aka MiG35) of having a role of air superiority fighter.

    FC1 is one of a kind, a very cheap and basic BVR capable interceptor.
     
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    Got a link for this? When did this agreement take place? How come I don't know about this agreement? And why is that only Indian's end up talking about this agreement while Chinese and Pakistanis are just not worried about it? Unless this information is from a CREDIBLE source/link, I would consider it nothing but BS.
     
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    So its a bad news...we still dont see JF-17 in the game. :(

    On the other hand vertual war would be good entertainment.
     
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