India incursion and Chinese standoff at Dolam, Bhutan

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  1. Equation
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    By hiring ghost writers?
     
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    I found something cool (slightly off topic LOL): was curious what's the
    mountain in https://twitter.com/rajfortyseven/status/955847997778087936
    卫纳夜格@Raj‏ @rajfortyseven Jan 23

    located the picture
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    in http://photo.81.cn/jrfc/2017-09/11/content_7751730_6.htm 高原上的士官晋升军衔仪式,气势如虹组图: 6/6

    then the mountain:
    Yarlha Shampo (6636m) https://www.summitpost.org/yarlha-shampo-6636m/501994
    climbed for the first time only in 2007?!
    at 28.800; 91.965° so relatively close to Lhasa:
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    A few of these peaks are "gods" to the locals so the climbing permit are hard to get. The well known Mount Kailash, in particular, only one climbing permit was issued in history. And that climber (from UK) after his research decided not to climb due to respect. So that one has never been climbed.

    During the doklam conflict, China cut off the only route to Mount Kailash, which is also a sacred place for Hinduism.
     
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    Do we know which variant of J-10 is deployed?
     
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    China fanbois and China threat mongers, sometimes they sound the same...
    http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2018/01/26/doklam-blues-again/

     
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    I don't know why you call me fanboi I never advocating war between India and China if anything I always held the peaceful and thriving Russian - China border as one that India should emulate

    But the fact is that India is the one who cross the border and initiate this dispute and triggering China's response to fortify the border that is a fact.Where there is no permanent post now there is one

    I always respect Ambassador Bradhakumar as sane and moderate voices in Indian politic But he is voice in the wilderness among hysteric media clamoring for revanche. India is not dragged kicking and screaming into the Quad She is willing partner so blaming Stratford is disingenuous and dishonest
    All is not well at the border between India and China This article is an attempt to sweep it under the rug It won't solve the problem instead of facing the problem squarely
    India under congress party take an equal distant but India under Modi take decisivily western tilt
    This photo tell it all
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    I didn't mean for it to be a personal attack. My point is that the tone and spin of excessively pro-China and excessively anti-China positions sometimes end up matching and only creates or worsens bad feelings which is likely to have a disproportionate effect when as the MKB piece points out there is already a general lack of communication and understanding, not to mention third parties actively looking to stir up trouble. This is not sweeping the issue under the rug at all but further addressing the hearts and minds aspect balancing steering the bigger strategic picture in a constructive direction while managing (including via deterrence and brinksmanship) flare-ups from persistent disagreements.
     
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    As I said now they permanently based fighter squadron close to the border area

    Tibet sees sharp jump in Chinese air force activity after Doklam standoff with India
    COL. VINAYAK BHAT (RETD) 14 February, 2018
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    Vinayak Bhat/ThePrint
    Dual-use airports see 2-4 fold traffic increase; fighter jets and early warning aircraft deployed in the region permanently.

    New Delhi: There has been a significant spurt in Chinese air force activities in Tibet since last year’s standoff between Indian and Chinese troops at Doklam. Air traffic at dual-use airports has gone up even as the Chinese air force has deployed combat assets permanently in the region.

    This is part of a pattern of China stepping up its military presence in the region in the aftermath of the bitter standoff with India in the tri-junction area near Bhutan. ThePrint had reported last month that Beijing has almost completely taken control of the northern side of the disputed plateau and deployed armoured vehicles and built seven helipads.

    ‘Flight Radar’ data shows a sudden jump in air traffic in Tibet in December and January. Flights at most airports in Tibet have increased two fold since the Doklam stand-off.

    The analysis of data of the last one year shows three big changes. First, that in the months of October and December 2017 as well as January 2018 there has been a sudden jump in air traffic. Second, a new flight has been scheduled from Lhasa to Ngari (Shiquanhe) in January. And finally, flights that reached the periphery of Tibet have now been extended up to Lhasa in October and December 2017.

    One factor could be that tourism has been subsidised in Tibet and that more cargo is arriving on a daily basis. However, given the modernisation and upgradation of the dual-use airports as well as the creation of new heliports by the PLA, there are strong indications of a military preparation that can’t be called a routine affair.

    China, which has five operational airports in Tibet, upgraded four of them last year. Two of these are now being used for testing its most modern and stealth aircraft.

    Lhasa Gonggar Airport
    After the Doklam stand-off, at least two KJ-500 AEW aircraft have been observed permanently deployed here. Satellite images of October 2017 showed 20 J-11s, eight J-10s, eight Mi-171V and two KJ-500 AEW aircraft at the airport, making it more of a military airbase.

    The Gonggar airport is the largest airport in Tibet supporting the capital city of Lhasa. It has been renovated and upgraded time and again over the past decade. The recent upgrade suggests that these are mainly to enhance the fighting capability of the Chinese air force in Tibet.

    In the past two years, only fourth generation aircraft like the J-11s and J-10s were visible in this airport during training exercises. They used to be deployed on rotational basis from different airbases supporting operations in Tibet. But after November 2016, the fighter aircraft have been more or less permanently deployed.

    Satcom vehicles with dish antennae along with ground controls system vehicles have also been observed, suggesting that UAV links are being monitored from this airport and it has capability to handle those UAVs.

    Recent activity at the airport suggests that the construction of a heavy military grade third airstrip is underway. They also suggest an underground facility is likely to be created about 1,750 m south of the airport, most probably for storing ammunition.
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    Vinayak Bhat/ThePrint
    Shigatse Airbase
    In August 2017, a lone UAV, probably a Winglong 1, was observed. Later, only Soar Dragons were observed at this airbase. These suggest that the medium-altitude long endurance or MALE UAV could not be operated successfully possibly due to harsh atmosphere and hence, a high-altitude long endurance or HALE UAV was operated successfully.

    The Shigatse airport has recently been converted into an airbase, making it out of bounds for all civil flights. Construction of an additional airstrip is in progress on the western side of the main airstrip, likely to be used for UAV operations.

    There are nine new aprons and eight new helipads recently constructed on the airbase, one of the satellite images suggests. The support buildings are used for accommodations of the staff.

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    Vinayak Bhat/ThePrint
    Qamdo Bamda Airport
    The Bamda airport was upgraded with a longer runway last year. But after the Doklam stand-off, another airstrip has been added to its eastern side. The additional airstrip would give this airport capability to take off and land aircraft in tandem.

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    Vinayak Bhat/ThePrint
    Nyingchi Airport
    The Nyingchi airport apron and lounge have been extended along with provision of four jet bridges. This suggests that Nyingchi is preparing for heavier traffic in the coming days. An additional aviation fuel point has been constructed with two large storage tanks.

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    Vinayak Bhat/ThePrint
     
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    New Heliports
    Three new heliports have been constructed in Tibet recently. The Lhasa and Ngari (Shiquanhe) heliports have come up last year. Some construction activity has been observed at the Cona township. But it is difficult to assess the exact size and shape due to lack of high-resolution images.

    These heliports can accommodate a light helicopter (LH) regiment easily. Two of the heliports at Nyingchi and Cona have been built over the British-era helipads.
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    I have a some thoughts to share purely for discussion purpose. It is not my wish to trigger any ill will between the international visitors of this forum. I apologise in advance if ill will eventually plays out.

    Could this build-up of military aviation assets and deployment etc. be a deliberate and calculated action by China that's simply to test China's new hardware (drones, fighter jets and their sub-systems etc.)? Meaning it's actually a "benign" action where China is just trying to have a real life and actual "test" of her new military assets. By "test" I mean in terms of testing their ISR drones, AEW planes and deployment of various new sub-systems to see how they work together to discover bugs, knots and problems as well as the logistical aspects etc. By "test" I do not mean to actually shoot any bullets and missiles.

    By "benign" I mean it is an action to test China's assets and not to plan to actually grab any land or deliberately act aggressive to her neighbours. Though such actions WILL be seen as aggressive by her neighbours, it could be seen as a level of "friction with neighbours" that's acceptable to incur in return for the ability to test China's new military aviation assets as long as no real bullets or missiles are fired.

    In other words to gain as real world experience as possible without actually firing any bullets. Plus these actions will foreseeably trigger a reply buildup on the Indian side and be a chance for China's ISR assets to get a close glimpse of Indian assets. Of course this cuts both ways. India's ISR assets would be able to sniff out China's assets too.

    China has been actively churning out military drones, AEW planes, and other systems these past few years. Simulations and testing can only get you so far. It will be difficult to simulate the element of uncertainty and operational surprises in simulations. China is producing many drones for export and need real "field feedback" in order to fine tune their designs.

    Therefore my guess that this military build-up is primarily as a way to test out these new assets rather than to act aggressive as a primary motive (though it will be seen as aggressive, regardless and logically so by her neighbours).
     
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