India incursion and Chinese standoff at Dolam, Bhutan

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CPC expected to convene 19th National Congress on Oct. 18 Xinhua| 2017-08-31 21:26:19
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The 19th National Congress of the Communist Party of China (CPC) is expected to convene on Oct. 18 in Beijing.

The Political Bureau of the CPC Central Committee decided at a meeting on Thursday to submit the proposal on the schedule to the seventh plenary meeting of the 18th CPC Central Committee, which will be held on Oct. 11.

The Political Bureau meeting was presided over by
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, general secretary of the CPC Central Committee.

The 19th CPC National Congress will review the Party's work over the past five years and summarize precious experiences that the Party has gained from the historical process of uniting and leading people of all ethnic groups to carry on and advance socialism with Chinese characteristics under the leadership of the CPC Central Committee with Xi at the core since the 18th CPC National Congress.

It will thoroughly examine the current international and domestic situation, and take into account the new requirements for the development of the Party and the country as well as new expectations from the people.

The congress will draw out guidelines and policies that respond to the call of the times, according to a statement after the meeting.

The congress is a very important meeting to be held when China is striving for its final victory for achieving a moderately prosperous society in an all-round way, and at a critical time for the development of socialism with Chinese characteristics, the statement said.

It will hold high the banner of socialism with Chinese characteristics, be guided with Marxism-Leninism, Mao Zedong Thought, Deng Xiaoping Theory, the important thought of "Three Represents" and the Scientific Outlook on Development, and thoroughly carry out the essence of Xi's series of important remarks and the new governance concepts, thoughts and strategies of the CPC Central Committee, according to the statement.

The congress also aims to boost confidence in the path, theory, system and culture of socialism with Chinese characteristics, continue to adopt an overall approach to promote economic, political, cultural, social and ecological progress, as well as to advance coordinated development of the "Four Comprehensives."

The Four Comprehensives refers to a four-pronged strategy that aims to comprehensively accomplish a moderately prosperous society, deepen reform, advance rule of law, and strengthen strict Party governance.

Efforts will be made to continue to build a better CPC, to achieve the final victory of building a moderately prosperous society in an all-round way and to create new prospect for socialism with Chinese characteristics, said the statement.

A new CPC Central Committee and a new Central Commission for Discipline Inspection will be elected at the congress.

All preparatory work for the congress is going smoothly at present and preparations should be continued earnestly to ensure a successful congress, according to the statement.
 

Dizasta1

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The "Doklam Incident" was india's debacle in international politics. It revealed how India truly treats it's allies and serves as a reliable reference point for international partner nations when it comes to reliability. Of course the move also proves that India doesn't put much thought into what the ramifications of its actions would be. And now that india has backed down from its I'll advised, foolishly thought out move. It is time for it to bow before China who holds the moral high ground on this matter. I guess India's planners haven't fully understood the concept of negotiating from a "position of strength". If India truly wants to turn a leaf over and start anew. Then it needs to start understanding the ground realities of the Continent it inhabits. As for India to really prosper and progress, it "must" establish peaceful relations with China and Pakistan. For when it does do that, India will find far greater scope and opportunities working together with these two neighbors, than working "for" countries who don't have common borders with it, nor it's interests at heart.

A "meaningful" with China, would go a long way for India. Mending it's border disputes with both Pakistan and China would create the right environment for SCO member states to truly bond together and collectively plan ahead for their respective economic plans to be realized. SCO trade has enormous benefits for all member states. A cohesive working environment would enable member states to build and complete all the necessary infrastructure for trading to function effectively and efficiently. And with common economic policies, it would only be natural for military alliances within the SCO to be created. Russia, China, India, Pakistan, Iran, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Kyrgyzstan.

But for that to happen, India has to come forward with a genuine willingness to resolve disputes with China and Pakistan. The benefits outweigh the stubborn approach they have held so far. Imagine flourishing trade that would increase with time! Picture the significance of the rise of SCO as a true counter-weight to NATO. Visualize SCO economic initiatives that can bring a truly international free-trade, between the continent's of Asia, Africa and South America. That's what ought to be the objectives of the Asian giants such as China, Russia and India.
 

vincent

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The Donglang incident shows there is no point of settling border with India because India does not respect any agreements it signed on to. Whatever border agreement India signs, isn't worth the paper it's written on
 

ougoah

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The "Doklam Incident" was india's debacle in international politics. It revealed how India truly treats it's allies and serves as a reliable reference point for international partner nations when it comes to reliability. Of course the move also proves that India doesn't put much thought into what the ramifications of its actions would be. And now that india has backed down from its I'll advised, foolishly thought out move. It is time for it to bow before China who holds the moral high ground on this matter. I guess India's planners haven't fully understood the concept of negotiating from a "position of strength". If India truly wants to turn a leaf over and start anew. Then it needs to start understanding the ground realities of the Continent it inhabits. As for India to really prosper and progress, it "must" establish peaceful relations with China and Pakistan. For when it does do that, India will find far greater scope and opportunities working together with these two neighbors, than working "for" countries who don't have common borders with it, nor it's interests at heart.

A "meaningful" with China, would go a long way for India. Mending it's border disputes with both Pakistan and China would create the right environment for SCO member states to truly bond together and collectively plan ahead for their respective economic plans to be realized. SCO trade has enormous benefits for all member states. A cohesive working environment would enable member states to build and complete all the necessary infrastructure for trading to function effectively and efficiently. And with common economic policies, it would only be natural for military alliances within the SCO to be created. Russia, China, India, Pakistan, Iran, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Kyrgyzstan.

But for that to happen, India has to come forward with a genuine willingness to resolve disputes with China and Pakistan. The benefits outweigh the stubborn approach they have held so far. Imagine flourishing trade that would increase with time! Picture the significance of the rise of SCO as a true counter-weight to NATO. Visualize SCO economic initiatives that can bring a truly international free-trade, between the continent's of Asia, Africa and South America. That's what ought to be the objectives of the Asian giants such as China, Russia and India.

The international community is too engrossed in this nonsense of "Indian mysticism and spirituality". They've been brainwashed to think poorly of EVERYTHING China does and think highly of the piss drinking mysticism of India. This is surely a force of evil. If only everyone truly understood the evils of India. Men committing atrocious acts on women at a massive scale, people slaughtering others daily on the streets because someone allegedly ate beef. People defecating everywhere and anywhere they see fit (even China's worst state of affairs didn't come to that). The continuous mistreatment of "dalits". Mob justice..... the list can go on and does.

Indian planners are elected. Not tested. Elected. Hence they are likely easily corrupted morons. They have demonstrated this not only on this occasion but countless others. The only thoughtful one I can think of is Shashi Tharoor. Only one with a working brain.
 

ougoah

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India is both the most corrupt and polluted (by a wide margin) but about 99% of the world's population will think those titles belong to China. Such is the power of western and Indian media.

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Just a starter from an unreliable source. The reality is worse. Indian air in many "cities" are actually unbreathable. They don't even have the decency to warn their own citizens unlike Chinese news. China at least provides cheap filters and masks available and gives its citizens warning. Typical Indian denialism and arrogance.
 

Hendrik_2000

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A good article by ambassador Bhadrakumar. I think it is a bad policy to antagonize China. India crave the wrong attention. Now they got it !

Indian posturing, post-Doklam, has a tragi-comic feel
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Why the standoff between India and China, near the Sikkim border, began at all, and how it ended, after 71 long and anxious days, on August 28, will likely never be fully known. The Indian foreign ministry maintains cryptically that “following diplomatic communications, expeditious disengagement of border personnel of India and China at the face-off site at Doklam,” took place last week.

New Delhi falls far short of making any claims about an agreement or understanding with Beijing regarding mutual withdrawal – leave alone about China stopping its road-building activities, which led to the standoff in the first instance.

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The Chinese Foreign Ministry has been more forthcoming. It put on record that:As a result of diplomatic representations and “effective countermeasures” at the military level, the Indian side “withdrew” all its personnel and equipment.

• As a result of diplomatic representations and “effective countermeasures” at the military level, the Indian side “withdrew” all its personnel and equipment.

• The Chinese personnel “onsite have verified” the fact of Indian withdrawal.

• The Chinese troops “continue with their patrolling and stationing” in the Doklam area.

• China will “adjust and deploy its military resources” in the area to meet the needs of guarding the border.

• China has long been undertaking road-building in the area and will in future “make proper building plans in light of the actual situation,” taking into account weather conditions.

New Delhi hasn’t disagreed with China’s contentions. Instead, a series of unattributed, self-serving media leaks have appeared, portraying Indian officials as strong-willed men who stared the Chinese down. This is rather tragi-comic, given the geopolitical reality that the standoff is sure to be a watershed event in India-China relations and regional politics. The Chinese Defense Ministry warned New Delhi to learn its “lesson” from the standoff.

On balance, it appears that India won’t admit its unilateral withdrawal from Doklam, while the Chinese side is disinterested in triumphalism.

Clearly, with the brief summer season about to end in the region’s tangled mountains, India has managed to stall any road-building activity by China during this calendar year.

But the nagging question remains: What prompted India to unilaterally withdraw? To quote a prominent China expert in New Delhi, “In the face of mounting Chinese psychological pressure on asymmetries, combined with coercive diplomacy and deployment of lethal equipment, the Indian announcement of ‘disengagement’ at Doklam comes as no surprise.”

There had been reports – backed by video and photographic evidence –of China moving trainloads of advanced HQ-16 and HQ-17 missiles and other military equipment to Tibet. China was reinforcing its layered air defense systems to counter Indian air power, hinting at serious preparations for a military offensive.

Equally, two other critical factors would have influenced Indian thinking. One, India’s economic growth slowed to around 5.7% between April and June, the slowest quarterly rate in the three years of the present government. A war with China would cripple the economy. Secondly, no country voiced support for India, let alone criticized China. The North Korean issue preoccupied both Washington and Tokyo.

In retrospect, China showed that on issues of territorial sovereignty, there is no question of a compromise. But something may also have changed fundamentally in its attitude toward India. Harsh things have been said, betraying displeasure and anger, and a breakdown in trust and confidence.

A bumpy road lies ahead. Simply put, India is unable to come to terms with China’s rise, and the latter senses that it must now be on guard. Conceivably, Chinese diplomacy in the South Asian region may shift to adversarial mode. With tacit Chinese support, countries such as Nepal, Sri Lanka or the Maldives may be in a better position to withstand India’s overbearing presence.

India’s future relations with Bhutan, the friend on whose behalf it stuck out its neck but which kept a Delphian silence, are almost certain to become more delicate. Prof. Taylor Fravel of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, who is regarded as an authority on China’s borders, wrote last week that China might well revisit its road-building plans in the disputed territory with Bhutan. To quote Fravel,

“Before the standoff in June, China’s permanent presence in the area had been quite limited. China had maintained a road in the area for several decades, but did not garrison any forces. In contrast, India has maintained and developed a forward post at Doka La adjacent to Doklam… China may well seek to rectify this tactical imbalance of forces. In fact, the Chinese spokesperson suggested a move in this direction… If China does this, it would likely build facilities farther away from India’s position at Doka La, making it more challenging for India to intervene and block China next time… India may be faced with the uncomfortable choice of deciding whether to risk much more to deny China a greater presence farther inside Doklam or to accept it.

The real lesson, therefore, that India should learn from the Doklam standoff is that it shouldn’t draw wrong conclusions. The BRICS Summit in Xiamen is not to be mistaken as a “kiss-and-make-up” moment.

Deep down, India has a choice to make and China is watching closely. Should the Modi government go further down the road of trespassing into China’s core interests in the South China Sea, raking up Tibet-related issues and identifying with the United States’ containment strategy against China?

Such a journey risks military confrontation with China. How far is India prepared to take that risk? The Modi government’s accent could have been on diplomacy in the crucial three-week period after the Chinese notified New Delhi, in late May, of their intention to commence road-building work at Doklam. But instead of activating its diplomatic levers, India resorted to force, confident in the knowledge that in that particular sector of the border it is strongly placed.

The dismal picture that has emerged over the past week is of the Indian officials responsible for that fateful decision counting trees and trying to convince domestic opinion that India “won” and China “lost”. The great danger is that their core constituency of ultra-nationalists will – to take the sports analogy further – now expect them to raise the bar.
 

ougoah

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Let's be real here for a moment. India has certainly gotten more attention from China now but nothing serious will be done about it unfortunately. India is more like a pesky child to China, who has a very dangerous neighbour. Chinese leaders will not take any serious posturing against India apart from maybe diverting slightly more military hardware to its borders and nothing further. Any problem will be resolved diplomatically. China can crush India with half its pinky but cannot take on the US or its Arab (Saudi) and Israeli masters, the real problem.
 

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Soldiers of China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) continue to patrol the Doklam plateau two weeks after the 71-day
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between India and China was brought to an end through diplomatic channels.

The Chinese soldiers have reportedly built bunkers on a ridge line behind the disputed region, triggering fears of a fresh
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between both countries, India Today reported.


India raised the issue of the presence of Chinese soldiers in the Doklam region on September 8 during the flag meeting between the Indian division commander and his PLA counterpart at the Nathu La mountain pass.

The Indian Army, during the flag meeting, insisted that the disengagement process agreed upon between both sides on August 28 would not be complete if the PLA soldiers did not vacate the disputed region. The PLA reportedly told the Indian Army it would reply after consultation with superiors.

Indian and Chinese troops currently remain on the disputed Doklam plateau separated by a distance of 150 metres.

The disengagement on August 28 was followed by Prime Minister Narendra Modi's successful visit to the BRICS Summit in Xiamen from September 3-5. He held bilateral meetings with Chinese President Xi Jinping, who focused on the need for "peace and tranquillity on the border areas as a pre-requisite for the further development of ties."

The Doklam standoff had begun on June 16 after China accused Indian troops of entering Doklam, also known as the India-China-Bhutan tri-junction, and stopping Chinese troops from constructing a road in the area.

India responded that the border dispute was yet to be resolved and that China should "desist from changing the status quo".

India also accused PLA personnel of intruding into Indian territory through Sikkim and destroying bunkers, while China claimed India was provoking them, and that the issue could be resolved only if India withdrew its troops.

India feared that the road-building activity would allow Chinese troops to cut its access to the seven states in the Northeast.

However, the standoff ended on August 28 with both countries agreeing to withdraw their troops from the Doklam area and the Chinese soldiers stopping the construction of roads at the tri-junction and taking back equipment.

The Chinese soldiers insisted on patrolling the area up to the Jampheri ridge as, according to them, the tri-junction between India, China and Bhutan lies there, sources privy to the flag meeting on September 8 told Indian Today.

However, both India and Bhutan insist that the tri-junction lies 4 km north of the ridge at the Batang La Pass.

The flag meeting at the Nathu La Pass was the second since August 28, when both sides withdrew troops by 150 metres from the disputed road construction site.

The first meeting was held on August 30 when the Indian Army raised objections over the Chinese soldiers leaving a flag at the disputed region to be guarded by eight soldiers of the PLA.
 
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