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i am sorry.the original content about zeppelin lz129 hindenburg posted at 2007.03.10.But i think aeros-d4/d8 walrus is better than hindenburg.Thus i changed this thread.
i have another sketch,based on Aeros company's Aeroscraft Aeros-D4/D8 walrus.
its detail is guessed because Aeros-D4/D8 walrus is not manufactured yet.i guess its detail by its relative aeroscraft Aeros-ML,which already truly exists.
*i am NOT posting a commercial advertisement for Aeros company.As the Hindenburg is NOT a commercial advertisement for Zeppelin company.
Aeroscraft Aeros-D4/D8 walrus
Length:guessed 316.7m
Width:guessed 138.4m
Height:guessed 73.1m
Gas type: Helium
Gas capacity: guessed 1.5 million meter'3
Gas room:guessed 1500
Power plant: guessed 8x1638kw TVD-TV3-117B
Max speed: 280km/hr
Price: not claimed yet
Service ceiling:7.6km
Basical buoyancy:guessed 1905t
Empty weight:guessed 504t
Helium weight:guessed 254t
Payload: guessed 907t
Maxium payload:guessed 1147t
Reserved buoyancy:guessed 240t
Defensive fiber:kevlar 3mm at the front 1/3 blimp hull.1mm at the middle and rear blimp hull.Totally might weight 280t.Cost about 9.8 million dollars.
Energy supply:11625m'2.output 1.96 megawatt.'SolarE' solar energy panel.Totally might weight 87t.Cost about 21.6 million dollars.
Radar:NEBO-SV 1L13-3 VHF band radar.claimed to detect a fighter at 27km height from 330km away.i guess it can detect 1 f-117 at 66km away and 1 f-22a at 51.6km away.If that claimed 'fighter' is 1 f-16 with radar cross section 2.5 meter'2.And i heard f-117 rcs 0.1m'2.f-22 rcs 0.06m'2.Each 1L13 might weight 48t.
Self defensive weapon:
48 T82F dual 20mm cannon.1200 rpm of single barrel.2400rpm of a dual turret.1625kg per turret.totally weight 78t.
18 Lawrence Livermore's 800kw sshcl solid state heat capacity laser.the output of sshcl prototype is 100kw,maybe enlarge its size by 2 times for 8 times heat capacity.totally might weight 144t.
American aircraft system example:
AN/ALE-55 Fiber Optic Towed Decoy
AN/ALQ-212 Advanced Threat Infrared Countermeasures
AN/AAR-57 Common Missile Warning System
AN/AAQ-24 Directed IR Countermeasures NEMESIS system
AN/ALQ-204 Matador Infrared Countermeasure
AN/ALQ-165 Airborne Self Protection Jammer
RR-144A/AL Chaff
MJU-7A/B Infrared Decoy Flare
MJU-53/B Infrared Decoy Flare
i don't how many sould be arranged on 1 DARPA.There is too much types in American arsenal.
Weapon list example.Totally might weight 270t.
Anti-air purpose
SkyBow-2 1135kg X200 =227t
Skysword-2 180kg X240=36t
Aim-9x 80kg X100=8t
Anti-ship purpose
agm-88 harm 360kg X200=72t
agm-84 harpoon 670kg X290=195t
Anti-submarine purpose
AN/ARR-78-V sonar sensor 300kgX384=115t
Mk56 torpedo 0.91tX170=155t
Air-to-ground purpose
agm-65 maverick 220kg X240=53t
Mk84 0.91t X240 =218.4t
Carpet bombardment purpose
m.o.a.b fae 9.5t x28=266t
The below is the original content,which is less important now.
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The tactic will be based on an Airship resemble zeppelin lz 129 hindenburg with further installation of various types of arm and armor.It will be difficult to beat in the same stratosphere as an air superiority airship team .In addition to defense purpose,int would be useful in agressive situation.Low cost and high fire power,it would be very beneficial at all cost.
In memory of Russia hero Alexander Pokryshkin,this frigate will be honored by the hero glorious name.
First is its cost. From 1936-2006 ,the inflation rate of about 1475%. That is 36.875 million dollars.As hindenburg's original cost is $2.5 million in 1936.
Pokryshkin class Airborne Missile Frigate
Length: 245 meters
Diameter: 41 metres
Gas type: Helium
Gas capacity: 200,000 meter'3
Gas room:160,the original number is 16.
Disposable lift: 112 tons
Power plant: 4 x 1200 horsepower Daimler-Benz diesel engines
Max speed: 135 km/hr
Price: US$2500000-1936,US$38000000-2006
Climb limit:7.6km
Service ceiling:4km
Basical lift force:254t
Empty weight:100t
Helium weight:35.7t
Maxium payload:112t.
Now it time to arm it. Because of its load of 112 tons, 4 times more than the load of B-52 today.It will be able to carry any form of aircraft weapon. However, because of the extra kevlar armor would be added. So arm design detail would be discussed later.
Kevlar fibers,strength 20.92 cN/dtex .Density1.667g/cm3 . About 16 dollars /lb.Pokryshkin amf will install 10045m'2, 2mm thick, weight 33 tons of kevlar armor.This armor would be placed in the front one-third section of the main blimp hull,to reduce the damage from missile fragments . The kevlar armor might cost about 1.163 million dollars.
Depend on its task and objective, it will be enforced by more armor, if tough opponents, such as the F-22 , F-35, or the regional air defense missiles, such as the MIM-104 Patriot. Its rear two-thirds section could also laid 1mm thick kevlar, such armor weight about 66 tons, price of such armor is about 2.34 million U.S. dollars.
The fire control system for use would mainly be Zaslon-M, Zaslon S-800,to engage up to 6 targets at 200km away . This equipment weights about 4 tons, costs about 10 million dollars.
Time to power it,equipment would be 2500 m'2,output 295kw,cost 325 million dollar.
weight 13t, 'SolarE' solar energy panels.This will power the Pokryshkin for all its need,without receiveing any extra supply.
All above cost 52t of payload .The Pokryshkin can still carry 60t of all sorts of equipment. But first of all, Pokryshkin amf will install 4 T82F 20mm twin machine cannon in the front.Each weight 1.6t.Each T82F has 2 machine cannon with 1200 rpm.Total 9600 rpm combined from the 4 T82F.The T82F will use OPTRONIC FIRE CONTROL SYSTEM to defend the Pokryshkin against incoming missile.4000 sets of chaff/flare mainly in the front section of its blimp hull,the chaff/flare weight about 3.5t.Totoal 10t for things above. If you do not need those things,remove them .
If necessary,The Pokryshkin will be added to 10000 -20000 chaff/flare,weight about 8.75t to 17.5t. To form a cloud of chaff/flare ,hope to jam those deadly missile such as MIM-104 patriot III.
Pylon machinery,4pilots,and other life-support equipment might cost about 8-10t.
Now You have 40t payload to arm your Pokryshkin.A large weapon section would be at its abdomen part of the main blimp hull.Which has 5000m'2 space.Cut this space into 200 8mx4m smaller pylon sections,to load Your weapon.
In order to prevent chain explosion once hit,some kevlar barrier between this small pylon section would be good against missile fragment.
Basic weapon list.
AA-12 Adder
AA-11 Archer
AA-10 Alamo
AS-17 Krypton
AS-16 Kickback
AS-15 Kent
AS-10 Karen
AS-14 Kedge
AS-13 Kingbolt
KAB-500L
FAB-100/250/500/750/1000
Air superiority combat example
48N6E2/Ye2 1800kgX16=28.8t
9M96E2 420kgX20=8.4t
R-73 110kgX40=4.4t
Anti-ship combat example
Kh-41 4500kgX8=36t
Kh-31P 600kgX8=4.8t
Air-to-ground combat example
KAB-1500L 1500kgX10=15t
S-25 380kgX40=15.2t
Kh-25 300kgX40=12t
Bombardment combat example
FAB-1500 1400kgX30=42t
It is your call to alter weapon menu,because it has 200 pylon along its downward blimp hull.
The total cost of a Pokryshkin Airborne Missile Frigate would be 60 million dollars.Not counting those missiles or bombs.The same price of 1 EF-2000.Can 1 EF-2000 defeat 1 Pokryshkin ?It's up to you.
To increase Pokryshkin's survivability.
1.Parachute & SRS airbag
Russia BMD-4 and China ZBD2000 are paratroopers' airborne infantry fighting vehicle,with 14 Parachute,they can jump from an aircraft.
Then,install the Parachute on the Hindenbur,260 Parachute can sustain a slighter crash.A Hindenbur length 245 m,diameter 41m.260 Parachute can be separate and install on the bone of main blimp hull.Each Parachute cost about 600 dollars,total
150 thousand dollars.
Like in car,install backup balloon,as SRS Supplement Restraint System Airbag,on the Hindenbur.When the main blimp hull is destroyed,lost 254t lift force,the Hindenbur begin to crash.
Deploy the 250 Parachute,Inflate the SRS airbag,when it crash on the ground,impact force might be separated.If lucky,everyone may survive.Now you may order them to evacuate.
Such less devastative emergency landing may occur ONLY when the Parachute and SRS airbag are not destroyed.
2.Stealth main blimp hull
PUE-2R ,Polyurethane Elastomer ,EM wave shielding & absorption. It can reduce the radar cross section of the Pokryshkin a little bit.Use acclivitous Carbon Graphite
hull on the blimp hull.With PUE-2R over it.As the idea of F-117,Lafayette.The Lafayette has weight 3700t.But its radar cross section is just as a 500t ship.
Thus reduce the Pokryshkin's rcs more little bit.As the F-22's rcs is 1/80 of F-15.
I guess Pokryshkin's 1320m'2 rcs can be reduced to 179m'2,if modified as Lafayette.
Perhaps 17m'2,if modified as F-22.But this is far more difficult than Lafayette's way.I don't think 1/80 rcs is possible for the Pokryshkin.
3.camouflage clothing
Although as large as Titanic. Pokryshkin is a pretty cool target.With less IR signature.If some camouflage,such has real straw, grass,tree branch,are mixed on the hull,order it to land in a mountain area.With mountains higher and larget than the
Pokryshkin.Enemy Su-34 flying over may consider it as a part of the mountain from 20km-30km away.While Tian-Gong-2 surface-to-air missile range 200km.
Of course,the Pokryshkin can't do this in a very plain field.
4.Kevlar helium gas room.
Seperate 254t helium lift force into 160 secondary gas room is safer than in 16 gas room.If necessary,use kevlar as the basic room hull.100t kevlar cost 3.52 million dollars.Cheaper than 1 T-80 tank.It will be far more safer than normal fiber.
If the Pokryshkin injured,it is safer to lose 1.6t lift force than 16t.
5.To better the fragility of the superstructure ,
Hyper Carbon,High Modulus Graphite,Titanium main structure.
Each material cost 65d/lb,42d/lb,3d/lb.Hyper Carbon is 4 times stronger than Ti,with 21 times more price.However,this material are all better than Aluminum main structure.100t cost 0.66 million,while 100t Hyper Carbon cost 14 million.Less than 1 Mig-29 20 million.
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i am sorry.the original content about zeppelin lz129 hindenburg posted at 2007.03.10.But i think aeros-d4/d8 walrus is better than hindenburg.Thus i changed this thread.
i have another sketch,based on Aeros company's Aeroscraft Aeros-D4/D8 walrus.
its detail is guessed because Aeros-D4/D8 walrus is not manufactured yet.i guess its detail by its relative aeroscraft Aeros-ML,which already truly exists.
*i am NOT posting a commercial advertisement for Aeros company.As the Hindenburg is NOT a commercial advertisement for Zeppelin company.
Aeroscraft Aeros-D4/D8 walrus
Length:guessed 316.7m
Width:guessed 138.4m
Height:guessed 73.1m
Gas type: Helium
Gas capacity: guessed 1.5 million meter'3
Gas room:guessed 1500
Power plant: guessed 8x1638kw TVD-TV3-117B
Max speed: 280km/hr
Price: not claimed yet
Service ceiling:7.6km
Basical buoyancy:guessed 1905t
Empty weight:guessed 504t
Helium weight:guessed 254t
Payload: guessed 907t
Maxium payload:guessed 1147t
Reserved buoyancy:guessed 240t
Defensive fiber:kevlar 3mm at the front 1/3 blimp hull.1mm at the middle and rear blimp hull.Totally might weight 280t.Cost about 9.8 million dollars.
Energy supply:11625m'2.output 1.96 megawatt.'SolarE' solar energy panel.Totally might weight 87t.Cost about 21.6 million dollars.
Radar:NEBO-SV 1L13-3 VHF band radar.claimed to detect a fighter at 27km height from 330km away.i guess it can detect 1 f-117 at 66km away and 1 f-22a at 51.6km away.If that claimed 'fighter' is 1 f-16 with radar cross section 2.5 meter'2.And i heard f-117 rcs 0.1m'2.f-22 rcs 0.06m'2.Each 1L13 might weight 48t.
Self defensive weapon:
48 T82F dual 20mm cannon.1200 rpm of single barrel.2400rpm of a dual turret.1625kg per turret.totally weight 78t.
18 Lawrence Livermore's 800kw sshcl solid state heat capacity laser.the output of sshcl prototype is 100kw,maybe enlarge its size by 2 times for 8 times heat capacity.totally might weight 144t.
American aircraft system example:
AN/ALE-55 Fiber Optic Towed Decoy
AN/ALQ-212 Advanced Threat Infrared Countermeasures
AN/AAR-57 Common Missile Warning System
AN/AAQ-24 Directed IR Countermeasures NEMESIS system
AN/ALQ-204 Matador Infrared Countermeasure
AN/ALQ-165 Airborne Self Protection Jammer
RR-144A/AL Chaff
MJU-7A/B Infrared Decoy Flare
MJU-53/B Infrared Decoy Flare
i don't how many sould be arranged on 1 DARPA.There is too much types in American arsenal.
Weapon list example.Totally might weight 270t.
Anti-air purpose
SkyBow-2 1135kg X200 =227t
Skysword-2 180kg X240=36t
Aim-9x 80kg X100=8t
Anti-ship purpose
agm-88 harm 360kg X200=72t
agm-84 harpoon 670kg X290=195t
Anti-submarine purpose
AN/ARR-78-V sonar sensor 300kgX384=115t
Mk56 torpedo 0.91tX170=155t
Air-to-ground purpose
agm-65 maverick 220kg X240=53t
Mk84 0.91t X240 =218.4t
Carpet bombardment purpose
m.o.a.b fae 9.5t x28=266t
The below is the original content,which is less important now.
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The tactic will be based on an Airship resemble zeppelin lz 129 hindenburg with further installation of various types of arm and armor.It will be difficult to beat in the same stratosphere as an air superiority airship team .In addition to defense purpose,int would be useful in agressive situation.Low cost and high fire power,it would be very beneficial at all cost.
In memory of Russia hero Alexander Pokryshkin,this frigate will be honored by the hero glorious name.
First is its cost. From 1936-2006 ,the inflation rate of about 1475%. That is 36.875 million dollars.As hindenburg's original cost is $2.5 million in 1936.
Pokryshkin class Airborne Missile Frigate
Length: 245 meters
Diameter: 41 metres
Gas type: Helium
Gas capacity: 200,000 meter'3
Gas room:160,the original number is 16.
Disposable lift: 112 tons
Power plant: 4 x 1200 horsepower Daimler-Benz diesel engines
Max speed: 135 km/hr
Price: US$2500000-1936,US$38000000-2006
Climb limit:7.6km
Service ceiling:4km
Basical lift force:254t
Empty weight:100t
Helium weight:35.7t
Maxium payload:112t.
Now it time to arm it. Because of its load of 112 tons, 4 times more than the load of B-52 today.It will be able to carry any form of aircraft weapon. However, because of the extra kevlar armor would be added. So arm design detail would be discussed later.
Kevlar fibers,strength 20.92 cN/dtex .Density1.667g/cm3 . About 16 dollars /lb.Pokryshkin amf will install 10045m'2, 2mm thick, weight 33 tons of kevlar armor.This armor would be placed in the front one-third section of the main blimp hull,to reduce the damage from missile fragments . The kevlar armor might cost about 1.163 million dollars.
Depend on its task and objective, it will be enforced by more armor, if tough opponents, such as the F-22 , F-35, or the regional air defense missiles, such as the MIM-104 Patriot. Its rear two-thirds section could also laid 1mm thick kevlar, such armor weight about 66 tons, price of such armor is about 2.34 million U.S. dollars.
The fire control system for use would mainly be Zaslon-M, Zaslon S-800,to engage up to 6 targets at 200km away . This equipment weights about 4 tons, costs about 10 million dollars.
Time to power it,equipment would be 2500 m'2,output 295kw,cost 325 million dollar.
weight 13t, 'SolarE' solar energy panels.This will power the Pokryshkin for all its need,without receiveing any extra supply.
All above cost 52t of payload .The Pokryshkin can still carry 60t of all sorts of equipment. But first of all, Pokryshkin amf will install 4 T82F 20mm twin machine cannon in the front.Each weight 1.6t.Each T82F has 2 machine cannon with 1200 rpm.Total 9600 rpm combined from the 4 T82F.The T82F will use OPTRONIC FIRE CONTROL SYSTEM to defend the Pokryshkin against incoming missile.4000 sets of chaff/flare mainly in the front section of its blimp hull,the chaff/flare weight about 3.5t.Totoal 10t for things above. If you do not need those things,remove them .
If necessary,The Pokryshkin will be added to 10000 -20000 chaff/flare,weight about 8.75t to 17.5t. To form a cloud of chaff/flare ,hope to jam those deadly missile such as MIM-104 patriot III.
Pylon machinery,4pilots,and other life-support equipment might cost about 8-10t.
Now You have 40t payload to arm your Pokryshkin.A large weapon section would be at its abdomen part of the main blimp hull.Which has 5000m'2 space.Cut this space into 200 8mx4m smaller pylon sections,to load Your weapon.
In order to prevent chain explosion once hit,some kevlar barrier between this small pylon section would be good against missile fragment.
Basic weapon list.
AA-12 Adder
AA-11 Archer
AA-10 Alamo
AS-17 Krypton
AS-16 Kickback
AS-15 Kent
AS-10 Karen
AS-14 Kedge
AS-13 Kingbolt
KAB-500L
FAB-100/250/500/750/1000
Air superiority combat example
48N6E2/Ye2 1800kgX16=28.8t
9M96E2 420kgX20=8.4t
R-73 110kgX40=4.4t
Anti-ship combat example
Kh-41 4500kgX8=36t
Kh-31P 600kgX8=4.8t
Air-to-ground combat example
KAB-1500L 1500kgX10=15t
S-25 380kgX40=15.2t
Kh-25 300kgX40=12t
Bombardment combat example
FAB-1500 1400kgX30=42t
It is your call to alter weapon menu,because it has 200 pylon along its downward blimp hull.
The total cost of a Pokryshkin Airborne Missile Frigate would be 60 million dollars.Not counting those missiles or bombs.The same price of 1 EF-2000.Can 1 EF-2000 defeat 1 Pokryshkin ?It's up to you.
To increase Pokryshkin's survivability.
1.Parachute & SRS airbag
Russia BMD-4 and China ZBD2000 are paratroopers' airborne infantry fighting vehicle,with 14 Parachute,they can jump from an aircraft.
Then,install the Parachute on the Hindenbur,260 Parachute can sustain a slighter crash.A Hindenbur length 245 m,diameter 41m.260 Parachute can be separate and install on the bone of main blimp hull.Each Parachute cost about 600 dollars,total
150 thousand dollars.
Like in car,install backup balloon,as SRS Supplement Restraint System Airbag,on the Hindenbur.When the main blimp hull is destroyed,lost 254t lift force,the Hindenbur begin to crash.
Deploy the 250 Parachute,Inflate the SRS airbag,when it crash on the ground,impact force might be separated.If lucky,everyone may survive.Now you may order them to evacuate.
Such less devastative emergency landing may occur ONLY when the Parachute and SRS airbag are not destroyed.
2.Stealth main blimp hull
PUE-2R ,Polyurethane Elastomer ,EM wave shielding & absorption. It can reduce the radar cross section of the Pokryshkin a little bit.Use acclivitous Carbon Graphite
hull on the blimp hull.With PUE-2R over it.As the idea of F-117,Lafayette.The Lafayette has weight 3700t.But its radar cross section is just as a 500t ship.
Thus reduce the Pokryshkin's rcs more little bit.As the F-22's rcs is 1/80 of F-15.
I guess Pokryshkin's 1320m'2 rcs can be reduced to 179m'2,if modified as Lafayette.
Perhaps 17m'2,if modified as F-22.But this is far more difficult than Lafayette's way.I don't think 1/80 rcs is possible for the Pokryshkin.
3.camouflage clothing
Although as large as Titanic. Pokryshkin is a pretty cool target.With less IR signature.If some camouflage,such has real straw, grass,tree branch,are mixed on the hull,order it to land in a mountain area.With mountains higher and larget than the
Pokryshkin.Enemy Su-34 flying over may consider it as a part of the mountain from 20km-30km away.While Tian-Gong-2 surface-to-air missile range 200km.
Of course,the Pokryshkin can't do this in a very plain field.
4.Kevlar helium gas room.
Seperate 254t helium lift force into 160 secondary gas room is safer than in 16 gas room.If necessary,use kevlar as the basic room hull.100t kevlar cost 3.52 million dollars.Cheaper than 1 T-80 tank.It will be far more safer than normal fiber.
If the Pokryshkin injured,it is safer to lose 1.6t lift force than 16t.
5.To better the fragility of the superstructure ,
Hyper Carbon,High Modulus Graphite,Titanium main structure.
Each material cost 65d/lb,42d/lb,3d/lb.Hyper Carbon is 4 times stronger than Ti,with 21 times more price.However,this material are all better than Aluminum main structure.100t cost 0.66 million,while 100t Hyper Carbon cost 14 million.Less than 1 Mig-29 20 million.
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