IAF (or someone) bombed smuggling convoy and ship in Sudan

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    Source: Jerusalem Post

    Whoa, destroying ships is pretty harsh move. Israel seems to be toughening its line against Iran at the same time when US is cautiously trying to mend fences.
     
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    'nuff said.

    There is no confirmation and there are no details (like what ship and what registry). Just hearsay about the "evil" IDF and US.

    Not saying that someone did not attack something...and not saying there is not the potential, particularly for Israel to take out weapons headed their way.

    But until there is much more detail and some kind of confirmation, IMHO this report adds nothing more than propoganda against Israel and the US and nothing more.
     
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    I don't think anybody can honestly accuse the The Jerusalem Post of being anti-Israel. From what I've read from them, they're certainly right of centre. If it were say... Haaretz then I could possibly agree but the Jerusalem Post should be considered one of the more pro-American papers in Israel.
     
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    Read the artilce. My comment goes to the meat of the story itself, regardless of who published it.

    The info comes from the Sudan and it plainly states that the reports are both unconfimred and the details are completely sparse. Unnamed sources, a "gfellow", unconfirmed reports.

    Until there is more detail, and some confirmation, then the report basically says nothing other than that an unconfirmed convoy, carrying unconfirmed weapons to Gaza, was attacked by unconfirmed forces.

    As to the ship, the title says it was Iranian, but in the body of the article it makes no such claim. Simply that an unnamed ship was completely destroyed.

    If any major vessel was destroyed and sunk on the high seas, that would be major news...and I believe, at this stage, if it were Iranian, they would make a big deal of it.

    Again...I am not saying things did not happen...simply that this is all unconfirmed with no detail and that I will not make a judegement or jump to a conclusion based on these unconfirmed, unverified, sparsely detailed reports until there is a lot more detail and meat to it.
     
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    BBC NEWS | Africa | Mystery over Sudan 'air strike'

    The source is Mabrook Mubarak Saleem, a minister in the Sudanese government. In a speech in Herzliya by outgoing Israeli PM Ehud Olmert:

    "That was true in the north... and it was true in the south ... Those who need to know, know there is no place where Israel cannot operate... we operate in many places near and far, and carry out strikes in a manner that strengthens our deterrence."

    The BBC is infering from Olmert's remarks 'What we are getting now from Mr Olmert is clearly the nod and the wink, our correspondent says.' Nothing is said explicitly, but many things are alluded to. Also this only refers to the events in Sudan, not the ship thing.
     
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    Like I said...I am not saying that nothing happened. I am simply saying that these reports about this specific incident are still all unconfirmed and very sketchy...not even naming a ship sunk on the high seas.

    To ascribe difinitive blame based on such info is not wise or warranted.

    Until there is more detail, I will reserve judgement.
     
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    Like I said, this only refers to the 'incident' in Sudan. Not 'the other thing' with the ship.
     
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    Well two things come to mind based on comparing this incident to the reactor strike in Syria. In that incident, we heard rumours of it quite a while before it was really picked up by the mainstream media and before it was confirmed by official sources. At that time I did not believe the claim that a nuclear reactor was the target, I considered it merely a rumour. This one was picked up much more quickly and addressed by official sources much more quickly, so that lends it credence.

    This one comes more from out of the blue as well. Before the strike on the Syrian reactor, I had heard rumours of North Korean involvment in Syrian nuclear and missle projects. However until now I had heard nothing of Hamas weapons smuggling through Sudan. I suppose, in retrospect, that it would be logical that Sudan is a transhipment point. However I hadn't heard anything about it. Also we didn't hear any rumours about the actual attack/s either.

    Lastly, I personally believe that the Israelis did indeed execute these operations. It fits their profile. Possibly/probably they had US help with intel. Possibly/probably the paid off someone in the Sudanese government to provide information. I could be wrong though; things do blow up pretty frequently in Sudan, maybe it's just a coincidence.
     
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    I haven't read the Time Magazine article yet myself but it something new.

    http://theasiandefence.blogspot.com/2009/03/iaf-f-16s-carried-out-single-raid-in.html

    Blog report (explains the rough English) on a report. So take it with a grain of salt I guess.
     
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