How to handle West economic embargo in hypothetical scenario

antimatter said:

Just look at how many foreign firms dominated the chinese markets, the toyota, honda, SONY samsung, LG, volkswagon, GM, microsoft, intel, AMD, Siemens, GE....etc. Right now a large share of economic cake inside China are eaten by foreign companies.

If CHina has its computer industry and tech companies, those millions losing their jobs from manufacturing toys, clothes would work on the new industry. CHina can fill up lose job positions if they take back a large share economic cake inside CHina and give to the domestic ones.

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Its not that easy, a person attaching arms and legs on a toy figure or sewing button holes and buttons, may not have the mental ability or apptitude to work in a chip fabrication plant.(not that I know anything about the skill requirements in one of those plants.
Besides contrary to some peoples beliefs, this current economic crisis, has shown the lie to the belief that China and India are decoupled from the Western Economy. Despite the current crisis, America and Western Europe still have the largest grouping of affluent people who could spend, should they decide to.

Talking about developing new products, I see an opportunity for a car manufacturing concern to adopt the Haier business model with its mini fridges.that became so popular in the USA.
EG. A small well made electric powered shopping car with a range of say 150ks, that has a fast charge mode as well as a standard charging rate. It should make these cars by the hundreds of thousands, annually for domestic consumption, while perfecting it for the Western market., thus driving down the price,making it comparable to a conventional version.
Its in this area where I see China may be able to foot it with the big boys

SampanViking said:

In 2008, China's Industries are global and can no longer be locked out by simplying banning made in china!

large numbers of Chinese worlers are brought over to work in these EU factories, displacing local labour.

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Since when was China able to bring workers in at will from China into the EU? and how do they get around the regulations.?

Start here and keep digging

antimatter said:

I think self developed technology is more important than so called being middle class. If China can develope its airplane, ships, trains, processors, softwares, equipments, employed its people to do the jobs and being self sufficient at produce enough food for its people. Barter and trade for natural resources from other countries. Just being self -sufficient.

Why even bother to be categoried as the middle class?

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Well of course. Absolutely China needs her own Microsoft, GM, Boeing.. and a middle class will be developed as a result of China creating her own industrial giants.

Think about how much wealth, jobs, revenue the PC Market has created for the USA alone?

China needs her own Intel and Microsoft for sure.

flyboy2008 said:

Well of course. Absolutely China needs her own Microsoft, GM, Boeing.. and a middle class will be developed as a result of China creating her own industrial giants.

Think about how much wealth, jobs, revenue the PC Market has created for the USA alone?

China needs her own Intel and Microsoft for sure.

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well when we are saying that China needs her own intel and microsoft we are not actually talkin about the technology. i am fairly confident that China can develop its own CPU and OP. the challenge is to get this stuff onto the market,without getting sued for copyrights infringement and actually attract domestic and even foreign buyers. (this is why i hate this copyright thing, which is no different from monopoly)

(this is why i hate this copyright thing, which is no different from monopoly)

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Without a copyright companies would have no incentive to innovate and spend on R&D, since it would be much more rational to just copy the designs of other firms.

What you could do is to shorten the time that copyrights are effective for, to many 5-10 years.

FriedRiceNSpice said:

Without a copyright companies would have no incentive to innovate and spend on R&D, since it would be much more rational to just copy the designs of other firms.

What you could do is to shorten the time that copyrights are effective for, to many 5-10 years.

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well technological explosion happened before coyright came along. besides,imagine what would happen if we had copyright before China invented paper...wonder what we are gonna write on lol.

but yeah the time thing makes sense...you still need some sort of regulation to give the inventors the credit they deserve. just dont turn it into something you can use to monopolize technology with, imagine the wright brothers suing the entire aviation industry for building planes with two wings...

You guys are messing up the concept between copyrights and patents. Think of copyright as protection of anything that you've put down on a piece of paper or other mediums, where as patents is the protection of the method of putting an idea down onto a medium.

FriedRiceNSpice said:

Without a copyright companies would have no incentive to innovate and spend on R&D, since it would be much more rational to just copy the designs of other firms.

What you could do is to shorten the time that copyrights are effective for, to many 5-10 years.

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You would be referring to patents here. The theory behind a patent is to encourage people to publicize their innovation in return for the rights to monopoly, so as to encourage the advancement of technologies. In practice, it has been used by coporations to kill competitors. For example, you might have an original idea, but someone else might have thought of it already and submitted a patent. So now, eventhough the idea is your's as well, you have no rights to use it.

One example I like to use to illustrate the stupidity of patents is Boeing's patent on mounting their engines a bit higher. Basically, they need this to provide enough ground clearance when they are mounting CFM56 on the 737. So now no one else can mount engines on their planes a bit higher if they have to use a bigger engine.

Then we have software patent, which is perhaps the most evil thing ever thought up by men. It inadvertably involves the patenting of some combination of mouse clicks and key strokes and even representation of data. Now ask yourself how many software you have used that can fall into this category thus violating the patents.

well technological explosion happened before coyright came along

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You sir are misinformed.

Copyright laws were established in the US in 1787.

The Copyright Clause of the United States Constitution (1787) authorized copyright legislation: "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries."

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Current copyright laws have been in place since the Copyright Act of 1976.

This volume contains the text of title 17 of the United States Code, including all amendments enacted through the end of the second session of the 109th Congress, in 2006. It includes the Copyright Act of 1976 and all subsequent amendments to copyright law; the Semiconductor Chip Protection Act of 1984, as amended; and the Vessel Hull Design Protection Act, as amended. The Copyright Office is responsible for registering claims under all three.

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