how to grab taiwan in 7 days

PiSigma

"the engineer"
mayor Ma is not exactly pro-china, he's actually very anti-communist. He's just anti-independence, so mainland likes him more than Chen. note the like him more, but not actually love him. they did love lien chen, but that guy can't get elected. even when all this happens after 2008, the PLAN would have almost no chance if USN gets involved. and the economic impact of such an event would hurt the world a lot more than the military impact ever reach. by 2008, Bush would be out of office, so chances are who ever is in power in USA, would be a lot less trigger happy. china is not going to risk attacking US bases or terriories, that would provoke US too much, but if US interfers, they would attack the ships. economically, having the world's largest economic powers fight each other would basicaly kill off any economic development for the next 10 years.
 

MIGleader

Banned Idiot
MAD goes back to the day the russians made the bomb. many things have changed since then. china does not have 200 nuclear missles pointed at american cities. it has them pointed at taiwan.

Mad would destroy taiwan too. if you say MAd does not apply to taiwan, why did u bring the point up?

Mad...i wonder if iraq counts as a u.s territory
 

EternalVigil

Banned Idiot
I brought it up because people started saying things about attacking US bases etc. That would initiate a huge response if it were the territories I listed.
 

darth sidious

Banned Idiot
so you think the chinese will just back and watch the american freely useing korean or japanese base in the war.with the hate aginst Japan so high in china right now there will be protest to bomb the F***k out of japan .for korea all china needs to do is the unlesh KIM and it will be WWIII.

PS why cant a missile attackk aginst japan work PAc3 is not invinsible a mass missile attack will overwhelm it
 

The_Zergling

Junior Member
I'm not sure if this counts as hi-jacking the thread... if so, then I apologize and I will correct it...

darth sidious's post mentioned "hate against japan very high" in China... is that true? And for what reasons?

I certainly hope it's not because of the old "They refuse to apologize" claim again... can anyone enlighten me?

BTW MiGLeader... did you say China has 200 NUCLEAR missiles aimed at Taiwan?
 

darth sidious

Banned Idiot
massive protest last year ,boycating of jap goods,attack on jap shops, numerous website full of naiotnalism and hatred aginst japs,choseing german tech rather then jap for railway,

all signs the japs are not welcomed
 

Roger604

Senior Member
This is why China needs to have at least 200 DF-31A (aka DF-41) missiles. Our nuclear deterrent is just too weak.

From the POV of China, it is ridiculous that in any confrontation, America will almost certainly target mainland facilities, and China can't target American military targets in Japan / Korea and Guam for fear of nuclear attack on Chinese population centers?

Obviously, nobody knows how many DF-31A missiles we have (the project seems to have gone underground) but without them, we could be facing a fight with one hand tied behind our backs.
 

SampanViking

The Capitalist
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Hi Eternal Vigil

If you are responding to my comment about China mobilising and attacking Japan and thinking that means attacking US bases, then you have misunderstood what I have written.

I was responded to Fairthoughs well though out and presented post and pointing out that there was a serious downside he had not considered.

Fairthought produced a strategy in which the West switched from a Policy of passive Chinese containment to an Active one. My response to this was to point out that the implications of published Chinese Doctrines, specifically "The Configuration of National Power" makes this a potentially dangerous course of action.

The Configuration of National Power, (CNP) is something that you do not get in the West, it is not so much a philosophy (although it is that too) but an ability, and as such is a truly defining difference between China and the West. Put bluntly CNP is the ability of the Governemnt to completely dictate how the efforts of the state are directed. The first CNP was probably the Great Leap Forward, the Second - The Cultural Revolution, The Third - "Its good to get Rich". In short it is the methodology by which the CCP employs the State in order to grow National Power. Whilst it is questionable as to how far into the future; whilst the current configuration is maintained, the CCP would be able to effect a change of configuration, I have little doubt that it still can and would guess that it will contuinue to be able to do so for the next twenty or thirty years.

If the West implemented an active embargo and Blockade of China, seriously slowing, halting or reversing the countries ecconomic growth, then the current CNP would be deemed ineffective and a switch would be made to one that best countered the current threat to the continued growth of National Power. This would in my opinion, be a largely militaristic response.

China would not target the US or other Western Forces directly, as they were not already at war and China would not wish to start actual hostilities, until all other avenues of action were exhausted.

Instead China would target those nations that enable the Western Presence to Project Power against China and contain it. The targets would primarily be Japan and other countries hosting US bases in the region, in order to break those arrangement and thusly, a large part of the Wests ability to constrain China in the region.

Once this was achieved and the Wests policy demonstrated as ineffective, China would use the prospect of its reconfiguring CNP back to "Its good to Get rich" as the key bargaining chip in order to normalise relations.

I think you can see much of the current antagonisem towards Japan is an expression of this policy anyway, especially as it plays well with other regional neighbours (Both China and ROK have cancelled Presidential meetings with Japan at the current Asiean conference).

I hope I have written clearly and it makes sense
 

EternalVigil

Banned Idiot
SampanViking said:
Hi Eternal Vigil

If you are responding to my comment about China mobilising and attacking Japan and thinking that means attacking US bases, then you have misunderstood what I have written.

I was responded to Fairthoughs well though out and presented post and pointing out that there was a serious downside he had not considered.

Fairthought produced a strategy in which the West switched from a Policy of passive Chinese containment to an Active one. My response to this was to point out that the implications of published Chinese Doctrines, specifically "The Configuration of National Power" makes this a potentially dangerous course of action.

The Configuration of National Power, (CNP) is something that you do not get in the West, it is not so much a philosophy (although it is that too) but an ability, and as such is a truly defining difference between China and the West. Put bluntly CNP is the ability of the Governemnt to completely dictate how the efforts of the state are directed. The first CNP was probably the Great Leap Forward, the Second - The Cultural Revolution, The Third - "Its good to get Rich". In short it is the methodology by which the CCP employs the State in order to grow National Power. Whilst it is questionable as to how far into the future; whilst the current configuration is maintained, the CCP would be able to effect a change of configuration, I have little doubt that it still can and would guess that it will contuinue to be able to do so for the next twenty or thirty years.

If the West implemented an active embargo and Blockade of China, seriously slowing, halting or reversing the countries ecconomic growth, then the current CNP would be deemed ineffective and a switch would be made to one that best countered the current threat to the continued growth of National Power. This would in my opinion, be a largely militaristic response.

China would not target the US or other Western Forces directly, as they were not already at war and China would not wish to start actual hostilities, until all other avenues of action were exhausted.

Instead China would target those nations that enable the Western Presence to Project Power against China and contain it. The targets would primarily be Japan and other countries hosting US bases in the region, in order to break those arrangement and thusly, a large part of the Wests ability to constrain China in the region.

Once this was achieved and the Wests policy demonstrated as ineffective, China would use the prospect of its reconfiguring CNP back to "Its good to Get rich" as the key bargaining chip in order to normalise relations.

I think you can see much of the current antagonisem towards Japan is an expression of this policy anyway, especially as it plays well with other regional neighbours (Both China and ROK have cancelled Presidential meetings with Japan at the current Asiean conference).

I hope I have written clearly and it makes sense



I understand the policy clearly as does the US government and other european democracies. Yes China and Korea(lets face it chinas puppet state especially North Korea) and weaker asian powers are using the Yasukuni visits by Japans PM as an excuse to sour relations with the Japanese. This is all between the Japanese,China, and other asian nations and not a US issue. The US could care less about this shrine and thats the reason we want the Japanese and chinese to repair their relationship for the sake of the global economy. However, Japan is not Taiwan and the US would never allow it to be attacked militarily without a huge response. I will list a few reasons and you all can debate them. I will be out of the US and in Guam ironicly for about 6 days and wont be near an internet connected PC. I will respond when I return.

1. Japan is a truely successful asian democracy, and it is not Chinese territory like Taiwan. An attack on a thriving democracy would be an act of war in the eyes of the western democracies. Especially the US and UK.
2. It is the second biggest economy in the world in terms of GDP and overall wealth.
3. We have defense pact with the Japanese just like with NATO.It also has a navy superior to the chinese and it is a military ally of the US and the EU.
4. We have large technology transfers to Japan for civilian and military use and we must protect our assets.

There you go see you all in a week.
 

MIGleader

Banned Idiot
china and japan are very tense at the moments, but no war willl occur. maybe some breif skirmishes in the sea ways will happen here and there, but no war. the two nations simply have too much economic interest in eachother, especially japan. both nations are trying to attack eachother politicall by accasations of intrusions and secret weapons. but no shooting war is likely.

were getting tather off topic, by bringing japan in,so lets steer back to taiwan.
 
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