How significant is the qinghai-tibet railway to China's military on the Tibet border?

Autumn Child

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I have heard many claim that the railway is significant since it can transport more troops and equipment to Tibet fast. However, I am not sure how vulnerable it is to missile attack? Will it be an easy target to destroy? Are there any defense mechanism in place?
 

RedMercury

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Just because it easy to attack in war time, doesn't mean it can't be repaired. The huge advantage it gives is quick buildup/mobilization before hostilities start.
 

Schumacher

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I'd think quite significant.
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Qinghai-Tibet Railway transports troops for first time
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A passenger train carrying newly recruited soldiers left Xining, capital of Qinghai Province, on Friday, heading for Lhasa, capital of the Tibet Autonomous Region.

It is the first time the Qinghai-Tibet Railway is used for transporting troops, according to sources with the Chinese People's Liberation Army.

In the past, all the troops entering or leaving Tibet had to be transported by air or road, but in the future the railway will become a main option for the armed forces to transport troops, the sources said.

The 1,956-km-long plateau railway was put into official operation on July 1 of last year. Now, it transports about 75 percent of goods between Tibet and other parts of the country.

(Xinhua News Agency December 1, 2007)
 

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Re: How significant is the qinghai-tibet railway to China's military on the Tibet bor

The most strategically vital part of the track is deep inside of China running from the Plateau into the Western Interior and away from India. In time of hostilities I think it fair to say that it would be a priority target and therefore a priority asset for defence.

For Aircraft it would be a perilous deep strike mission whilst for missiles you only need read the thread about Chinese Air Superiority over Taiwan for views about the ability of missiles to strike a long and narrow target.

In general terms, any permanent high speed communications link is of strategic value. I know China is often criticised for its lack of Heavy Airlift, I would remind those critics that this is only an issue for Countries that try and project power over very long distances and across oceans. when you are a continental power with contiguous land connections to the areas you need to get to, road and rail are usually much faster and effective in moving very large quantities of men and equipment.
 

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The most strategically vital part of the track is deep inside of China running from the Plateau into the Western Interior and away from India. In time of hostilities I think it fair to say that it would be a priority target and therefore a priority asset for defence.

For Aircraft it would be a perilous deep strike mission whilst for missiles you only need read the thread about Chinese Air Superiority over Taiwan for views about the ability of missiles to strike a long and narrow target.

In general terms, any permanent high speed communications link is of strategic value. I know China is often criticised for its lack of Heavy Airlift, I would remind those critics that this is only an issue for Countries that try and project power over very long distances and across oceans. when you are a continental power with contiguous land connections to the areas you need to get to, road and rail are usually much faster and effective in moving very large quantities of men and equipment.

Quite agreed SampanViking. The Qinghai-Tibet Railway is, in strategic terms, thoroughly thought out, well protected for most of its length simply by the distances involved, and even then, it is still reasonably efficient in transporting large numbers of troops, equipment and supplies to Tibet (considering the fact that the line has to come west-north-west out of Lanzhou rather than directly west out of Chengdu - infeasible for military and engineering/fiscal reasons). The only really vulnerable part of the whole railroad is the Golmud-Lhasa line, and even then only to cruise missiles and bombers; most (not all) tactical fighter-bombers would have a tough time getting much farther than Lhasa.

Area/Theatre Air Defence of the line from Golmud to Lhasa would not be onerous, though it would not be a light burden either, particularly the Nagqu-Lhasa line, which would require quite a bit of Tactical Air Defence as well. The Lanzhou-Golmud line is almost invulnerable to anything but bombers and long-range cruise missiles. And they would have to pass over whatever Air Defences the PLA might see fit to deploy along the road from Chengdu to Lhasa, and then Air Defences along the Golmud-Lanzhou-Xi'an tracks. Finally, they would have to deal with PLAAF interceptors the whole way in. That would take some doing unless you had some very advanced kit to work with and people who knew what they were doing with it.

I think crobato, adeptitus, and Totoro are the folks to comment much more specifically on the Air Defence aspects. I am very limited in those areas.

As to the movement of troops, equipment and supplies, etc., it is a strategic and operational, but not a tactical, solution to many problems the PLA might have in operating in the area. Not having to truck stuff over thousands of kilometres of roads completely changes the ability of the PLA to move large Formations to the high plateau and especially to keep them sustained. Even large Formations up in the mountains are far easier to sustain by trucking or flying supplies in from the railhead at Lhasa to the troops along the Nepal/India/Bhutan frontiers.

The tactical aspect that is not changed however, is the need to acclimatize troops properly at those altitudes; they need at least a full year of acclimatization and training at such altitudes to be fully prepared for that sort of warfare. The PLA of course did this in the two years prior to the 1962 war with India, and when the Indian Army sent reinforcements from the Gangetic Plain, the troops suffered from altitude sickness. Recent unpleasantness over the past several months between Bhutan and China and India and China should be viewed with due gravity given the strategic and operational capability that the PLA will have at its disposal with the completion of the Qinghai-Tibet Railway.

If large PLA troop movements afforded by the impending completion of the railway subsequently take place, then it is clear that China is willing to fight for whatever strategic objectives it may have in the region (ie. access to fresh-water resources). China suddenly and publicly re-asserting its claim this spring to almost the whole of north-east India north of the Brahmaputra River coupled with the PLA destruction of Bhutan and Indian Army outposts in September and October suggest that something is afoot.

Econmically, the benefits of the Qinghai-Tibet Railway seem relatively modest by comparison to the strategic and military ones. Nevertheless, the railway is essential for sustainable economic development in the region, particularly for moving vast amounts of heavy construction equipment and supplies in order to engage in hydro-electric projects and the like.
 
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Re: How significant is the qinghai-tibet railway to China's military on the Tibet bor

Isn't there a lot of mineral resources in Tibet that alone would justify building a railroad in the first place?
 

Norfolk

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Isn't there a lot of mineral resources in Tibet that alone would justify building a railroad in the first place?

For the most part the minerals are in Xinjiang and Qinghai, and there's already the Lanzhou/Xining-Aktogay line and the existing Lanzhou-Golmud line of the Qinghai-Tibet Railway for those. But as Tibet is opened up more, there may be more opportunity to exploit what mineral resources already exist.
 

Autumn Child

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China suddenly and publicly re-asserting its claim this spring to almost the whole of north-east India north of the Brahmaputra River coupled with the PLA destruction of Bhutan and Indian Army outposts in September and October suggest that something is afoot.

I have heard about the outpost destruction, but I am wondering do you think th PLA has in mind? Aren't there rescent plan to have military excersize with India?

On another note...How easy is it to repair damaged rail line in the vulnerable area?
 

Norfolk

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I have heard about the outpost destruction, but I am wondering do you think th PLA has in mind? Aren't there rescent plan to have military excersize with India?

On another note...How easy is it to repair damaged rail line in the vulnerable area?

Autumn Child, I do not know what the PRC Government has in mind; perhaps they felt offended by the bunkers (actually just metal shacks for keeping warm in winter), and although the PRC Government had certainly lodged a protest some months ago about them, why destroy them after 45 years of peace? Just to prove a point or test the waters, or both? Very strange, as you say India and China are supposed to have joint military exercise soon. I doubt Bhutan and India saw anything significant about those shacks. Well, anyway somebody obviously took offense to them. But it's just a hiccup in itself - we'll see what happens in the coming months, especially after the Olympics.

As to repairing damaged rail lines, it really shouldn't be a major problem. Depending upon the damage done to the rail line, and especially to the bed itself, minor repairs would only take a few hours once men and equipment arrived at the site. If the railway bed was heavily damaged, especially with cratering, then I would imagine that once the repair crews arrived on-site, it would take them two or three days depending upon the length of rail-bed destroyed. If it's much more than a quarter-mile or so, then it will take several days, assuming gravel and any other bed material required was handy.

The biggest problem would be just getting the crews, their equipment, and all the materials they needed for the repair job to the site. That whole 700 km or so stretch from Golmud to Lhasa would be tough to cover without repair crews and field parks stationed at regular intervals along the Golmud-Lhasa line.

My father and grandfather worked on railroads.:)
 

Autumn Child

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Actually I was more woried about the rail bridges. I assume those will take longer to rebuilt. Basing on what you said, basically using the railways will not be an option after hostility start yes? Any "reinforced railways" out there in use that can withstand more bombing attacks?
 
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