Hong-Kong Protests

KYli

Brigadier
If the internship pay is good enough, they will be very willing to learn Mandarin.

This is why I want to open it up, as I said in my original message. Get the young Hong Kongers out of Hong Kong. Let them go where they can learn the truth.

The pro-Beijing media can last as long as necessary, if they are subsidized by Beijing. Besides, if they consistently tell the truth, the people will notice. The pro-mainland media could even become profitable!

I understand what you're trying to say here but I would argue that it is a lost cause for these youngsters. Many of these rioters do speak some Mandarin(Mandarin is taught in Hong Kong schools) as they would often go to Shenzhen for works, for shopping, and for entertainment. It is not like they have zero exposure to mainland. Instead the central government needs to focus on the education system in HK especially for elementary and high schools as those kids still can be changed.

Look up selective exposure theory and confirmation bias, "individuals' tendency to favor information which reinforces their pre-existing views while avoiding contradictory information and the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that affirms one's prior beliefs or hypotheses." It is too late for these youngsters and only some of them would wake up someday and realize how wrongs they were.

The truth doesn't matter when people don't seek them. There are many pro-Beijing media and they don't have problem for surviving but what good for a media when it is not widely distributed. It is never about the truth but more about reaching, connecting with and resonated with the people especially the youngsters. In this regard, pro-Beijing failed badly as most youngsters don't read them. The sad thing is that FB, twitter, and youtube which are popular in HK are actually helping the rioters and undermining the pro-Beijing supporters.
 

Nutrient

Junior Member
Registered Member
These rioters don't want to learn Mandarin or simplified Chinese. The ones that are willing to learn would have already learned them. I don't think you understand these teenagers as they think simplified Chinese is a locust language.

If the internship pay is good enough, they will be very willing to learn Mandarin.

I forgot to add that once the young Hong Kongers come back as people who can speak both Mandarin and Cantonese, they will be very valuable to Hong Kong companies. So this is more incentive for the youngsters to be interns on the mainland. It's an opportunity of a lifetime!
 

Nutrient

Junior Member
Registered Member
I understand what you're trying to say here but I would argue that it is a lost cause for these youngsters. Many of these rioters do speak some Mandarin(Mandarin is taught in Hong Kong schools) as they would often go to Shenzhen for works, for shopping, and for entertainment. It is not like they have zero exposure to mainland. Instead the central government needs to focus on the education system in HK especially for elementary and high schools as those kids still can be changed.

There is no encouragement like money. Especially a lot of money. The kids will be competing for internship positions.

The effort to learn Mandarin will be trivial compared to the immediate internship benefits. The rewards they will get when they return to Hong Kong will be even greater, as they will be people who are fluent in Mandarin and Cantonese.
 

solarz

Brigadier
What we are seeing in HK is a second Cultural Revolution, and these rioters are the new Red Guards.

Guess how the government handled the original Red Guards? They were all sent to the countryside to work alongside farmers.

China has mandatory conscription, it is just never enforced. Time to start doing it in Hong Kong. All youth of a certain age in the HKSAR must spend three years in the army. Send them to Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia to plant trees and reclaim desertified land.
 

Brumby

Major
'Plan B': Hong Kong people explore options as protests deepen

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!


As
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
in
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
stretch from summer into autumn with little sign of a resolution, a surge in migration applications suggests more residents are making plans to leave the Special Administrative Region.

Their sentiments, reflected in passport paperwork and in interviews with residents, migration agents and real estate brokers across the globe, show the potential for human and capital flight out of Hong Kong, according to a Reuters analysis published on Friday.
 
'Plan B': Hong Kong people explore options as protests deepen

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!



HK SAR is loosing its' raison d'être and jobs and job opportunities are fast evaporating. The riot only help expedite the process. Expected and no surprise here. Companies like ours are just pursuing direct business opportunities with China instead. This trend will help normalization of HK's special status in China and SAR status will no longer have a reason to be.
 
I skimmed over presumably important
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
but have to make a phone call (unrelated LOL!) now so follow the link if interested
Showdown with Beijing looms as more US lawmakers back Hong Kong democracy bill
  • Support grows in Congress for a Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act as anti-government protests rack the city amid police crackdowns
  • But analysts worry the proposed legislation would be largely symbolic and enrage Beijing, further damaging already strained US-China ties
 
now
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
‘West can’t solve your problems,’ China’s Communist Party tells Hong Kong protesters

  • Those who ‘call on people to take to the streets’ have nothing to offer but ‘empty words of democracy and freedom’, Central Political and Legal Affairs Commission says in commentary published on social media
  • Western nations ‘can’t even solve their domestic problems … it is a fantasy to ask them to help people thousands of miles away’, it says
Hong Kong’s young people should look north for economic opportunities in mainland China instead of pinning their hopes on Western countries to solve their financial woes, China’s ruling Communist Party said in a social media article on Friday.

The commentary, by the Central Political and Legal Affairs Commission, represents a recent shift in Beijing’s propaganda efforts regarding the
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
by highlighting socioeconomic factors such as the lack of affordable housing in the city as a root cause of its problems.

The article, published on WeChat said that while the frustration and anger of young people was understandable, their emotions were being abused by other people and would not solve their problems.

“It is not easy to be a young person in this international metropolis. They face fierce competition and a heavy homework burden. After they get into university they have to shoulder big loans and even after they graduate ... [they still face] difficulties finding a job, low salaries, high property prices and an uncertain future.”

It urged people to look beyond the city’s boundaries for opportunities.

“If Hong Kong’s young people want a way out, they should widen their horizons and not lock themselves in the local environment of ‘Hong Kong people’ and the ‘Cantonese-speaking’ circle. They should look north,” it said.

The article – titled: “How to save Hong Kong part 2: Can the young people in Hong Kong find a way out for their future?” – said the protesters should also be wary of those urging them on.

“Those who call on people to take to the streets, can they solve the problems of Hong Kong employment, salaries and housing? Have they shown their willingness to solve these problems? What these people have are the empty words of democracy and freedom, they are making the angry angrier and the problems more difficult to solve.”

It said also that Western countries were neither able nor willing to solve the problems facing the people of Hong Kong.

“The places ‘helped’ by Western countries to usher in ‘democracy and freedom’ are all in trouble. Western countries can’t even solve their domestic problems ... it is a fantasy to ask them to help people thousands of miles away.”

The commentary said also that the protesters in Hong Kong were aggravating the city’s economic problems by damaging public property and causing a downturn in the catering, retail and hotel sectors.

On Tuesday, China’s foreign ministry said it was “
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
” after German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas met Joshua Wong, one of the leaders of the Hong Kong protest, in Berlin. Also, on Friday, Wong himself appealed to US President Donald Trump to include a “human rights clause” in any trade agreement with China.

The commentary came just a day after the commission published a similar article criticising Hong Kong tycoon
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
for condoning crime after he had urged those in power to “provide a way out” for the young demonstrators, describing them as the “masters of our future”.

It also suggested the 91-year-old, as a major property developer in the city, should be the one providing the way out by building more affordable homes, the lack of which is one of the protesters’ primary concerns.

Li said it was regrettable that his remarks had been misinterpreted, but that he had become “accustomed to unwarranted accusations for many years”.
 
tough
HK police recalls clash with rioters, calling end to violence
Source:Global Times Last Updated: 2019/9/14 12:25:36
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Hong Kong police officer surnamed Lau on Friday recalled the night he fended off rioters on July 30, saying he did not want to hurt anyone, though he was holding a rifle.

Lau, along with another police officer, was besieged and beaten by rioters on July 30 near the Kwai Chung police station in Hong Kong, and suffered a right eye injury.

"I don't fear the mobs. Our equipment was enough to hold them off. It was a matter of whether to use it or not. I did not fire a single shot, but it was enough to protect me and my colleague," Lau told reporters at the Hong Kong Police Headquarters in Wan Chai on Friday.

Lau has won national acclaim as "Bald Lau Sir" for braving the mobs with his bleeding right eye and his rifle gun aimed at protesters to protect another officer and himself.

"The warning was effective and that's why I didn't fire," Lau said. "Those radical protesters are also children. Though bean bag rounds are not lethal, they hurt. I don't want to hurt anyone, so I let them go."

Lau's right eye was severely injured, as he struggled to see the following day.

Lau's personal information was revealed illegally online after the incident, and he said his family has received death threats and fear being attacked when going out. His two children did not go anywhere during summer vacation over security concerns.

"My belief was never shaken. Though they shouted 'dark police' and 'police abuse,' nothing extreme happened. We are a professional police force. Since the Occupy Central in 2014, no police officers I know of have quit," Lau said.

As Friday marks the Mid-Autum Festival in China, Lau said he hopes the rioters could stop vandalizing.

"The Mid-Autumn Festival should be a time for family reunions. I hope they won't vandalize anymore, but there are still people who want to continue their violence," said Lau, who, representing the Hong Kong police, received moon cakes from mainland netizens on Thursday.

"Their goodwill means more than the moon cakes. I think we Hong Kong police should work harder to thank them for their support. I also hope protesters see this: People from the mainland and Hong Kong are family," said Lau.

Thursday and Friday saw Hong Kong citizens gathering to sing the Chinese national anthem in public, which Lau said will help end months of instability.

"It's a good sign to see the 'silent majority' come out," Lau said. "As soon as the silent majority come out, the disturbance will end quickly."

Lau was invited to attend the National Day ceremony in Beijing on October 1, but he said the honor should not be his but the Hong Kong police's.

It's not true to say Hong Kong police have abused power. Every time they [mobs] charged our defense, we had to respond," Lau said. "They provoked us and we responded. It was not police beating people."

"Hong Kong police are conducting their work with restraint under dangerous circumstances. I am very proud of that," Lau noted.
 
Top