supercat
Major
Like Trump, Pence will never miss an opportunity to fire cheap shots at China to score some unwarranted points. Just ignore them.
Hong-Kong Protests
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Like Trump, Pence will never miss an opportunity to fire cheap shots at China to score some unwarranted points. Just ignore them.
What is this "the world is watching" nonsense? Do you think that's going to deter China in the slightest? On the scale of threats, "the world is watching" is pretty feeble and pathetic. The world can watch China flip it the bird, what's the world going to do? What can it do if China crushes these protests?
Nothing at all.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
As usual, you need to read between the lines with western MSM co-ordinated misinformation campaigns.
The obvious take away is that the western social media used to stir up trouble in HK are proactively banning pro-Beijing speech on their platforms (like any state backed botnet would only have less than a hundred accounts
).However, notice how that while they blocked (ie could only find) a tiny number of ‘suspicious’ pro-China accounts (most likely private operations run by individuals in their spare time) but 200k other accounts initially automatically suspended by their witch hunt against Pro-Beijing accounts were subsequently re-activated.
This reminds me of the earlier story where in an effort to combat alleged Russian meddling in American politics, huge numbers of anti-China bot accounts were auto-banned by Twitter and Facebook algorithms because they behaved in extremely similar ways as the alleged Russian botnets, and had to be subsequently manually re-actives by Twitter and Facebook to allow them to continue their hate speech against China.
That's because they're not looking for botnets, they're looking for politically incorrect content.
As usual, you need to read between the lines with western MSM co-ordinated misinformation campaigns.
The obvious take away is that the western social media used to stir up trouble in HK are proactively banning pro-Beijing speech on their platforms (like any state backed botnet would only have less than a hundred accounts
However, notice how that while they blocked (ie could only find) a tiny number of ‘suspicious’ pro-China accounts (most likely private operations run by individuals in their spare time) but 200k other accounts initially automatically suspended by their witch hunt against Pro-Beijing accounts were subsequently re-activated.
This reminds me of the earlier story where in an effort to combat alleged Russian meddling in American politics, huge numbers of anti-China bot accounts were auto-banned by Twitter and Facebook algorithms because they behaved in extremely similar ways as the alleged Russian botnets, and had to be subsequently manually re-actives by Twitter and Facebook to allow them to continue their hate speech against China.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
Well the Chinese members here are having a good discussion with various points of view on how things should be handled, with some people learning and changing their minds. That is the definition of a mature and fruitful conversation. But when people come here to troll, it can go downhill very quickly.
Show evidence for why they are false then. My ears are wide open as I'm trying to formulate a solid picture for myself of what Hong Kong is. Every member here posts videos and evidence of violence and mob behavior in order to correctly define them as riots. It is you who chooses to side-step such discussions and go off on your own tangent posting propaganda articles that emotionalize things without evidence... When one looks at videos but still says no evidence was provided, I can only assume that this is a voluntary blindness.
I don't assume these things until they are proven to me... sometimes over and over again.
False things don't become true no matter how many times they are posted. They are just propaganda pieces, without evidence, that regurgitate what they hear from each other. Oftentimes, the authors have never even been to Hong Kong; they just romanticize a battle of people's hearts over tyranny from their own imagination.
If you want to have any effect other than trolling, come join the discussion, refute our evidence, show why you are correct with logic instead of just repetition. Don't be scared of the mental challenge of debate.
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supercat
Major
As we all know by this time, only a facade of free speech can be maintained in the West nowadays. Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, and Instagram etc are all censored.
vesicles
Colonel
I myself have absolutely no problem with HKers wanting to have more freedom. I am ok with them protesting on the streets.
However, I do have a huge problem with some of them claiming not to be Chinese. Unlike Taiwan, where there had been some gray areas (especially concerning the aboriginals living on the island way before China took control of the island >400 years ago), Hong Kong has always been part of China. Even the British recognized this fact when they were the colonial power controlling HK. That’s why they had to return HK back to China when the lease was up, despite that fact that the British wanted to keep HK for themselves.
HK people had always identified themselves as Chinese. HK’s Chinese history drama in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s have been considered as classics and the golden standard of Chinese ancient history drama.
As the saying goes, they may hate the government, but they love the country. Similarly, HKers may hate the PRC, but they should never separate themselves from being Chinese.
An earlier article talks about an international student from HK feeling uncomfortable being referred to as being from “Hong Kong, China”. This, to me, would be unacceptable. The term “Hong Kong, China” is legally, politically, historically and socially correct in every sense of the word. HKers are Chinese in every sense of the definition. No matter how anyone spins it.
The HKer in the article considers themselves the same as Tibet and Taiwan. HK is very different in the sense that HK has always been offficially and legally part of China. Even the most staunched supporters of the Taiwan independence acknowledge that Taiwan and HK are very different. Most of the supporters of the Taiwan independence movement consider HK as a Chinese territory colonized by the British. They always proudly claim that “we have independence, but they (HKers) have never had independence.
Even one of the main leaders of the protest made a statement today that he is not seeking Hong Kong independence. That means he acknowledges that HK is part of China. Then HKers are Chinese. “Hong Kong, China” is an absolutely 100% correct description.
However, I do have a huge problem with some of them claiming not to be Chinese. Unlike Taiwan, where there had been some gray areas (especially concerning the aboriginals living on the island way before China took control of the island >400 years ago), Hong Kong has always been part of China. Even the British recognized this fact when they were the colonial power controlling HK. That’s why they had to return HK back to China when the lease was up, despite that fact that the British wanted to keep HK for themselves.
HK people had always identified themselves as Chinese. HK’s Chinese history drama in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s have been considered as classics and the golden standard of Chinese ancient history drama.
As the saying goes, they may hate the government, but they love the country. Similarly, HKers may hate the PRC, but they should never separate themselves from being Chinese.
An earlier article talks about an international student from HK feeling uncomfortable being referred to as being from “Hong Kong, China”. This, to me, would be unacceptable. The term “Hong Kong, China” is legally, politically, historically and socially correct in every sense of the word. HKers are Chinese in every sense of the definition. No matter how anyone spins it.
The HKer in the article considers themselves the same as Tibet and Taiwan. HK is very different in the sense that HK has always been offficially and legally part of China. Even the most staunched supporters of the Taiwan independence acknowledge that Taiwan and HK are very different. Most of the supporters of the Taiwan independence movement consider HK as a Chinese territory colonized by the British. They always proudly claim that “we have independence, but they (HKers) have never had independence.
Even one of the main leaders of the protest made a statement today that he is not seeking Hong Kong independence. That means he acknowledges that HK is part of China. Then HKers are Chinese. “Hong Kong, China” is an absolutely 100% correct description.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
Whoa there, let's not be bolting down the front door with wood torn from the back door. Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Tibet, are all, definitively and inexorably, parts of China. No independence movement anywhere will, or should, succeed.
solarz
Brigadier
As an individual, that person is free not to identify as Chinese if they did not wish to. However, that does not give them the authority to change the affiliation of Hong Kong. Just because that particular individual does not identify as Chinese does not mean Hong Kong is not Chinese. It does not matter what they were raised to believe, as that is only their own personal beliefs. China's sovereign jurisdiction over Hong Kong is not invalidated just because some people long to be British colonial subjects.
Likewise, there is no point arguing with someone over personal beliefs. @Josh Luo argued that the Chinese government needed to understand those people. I completely disagree. There is nothing more to understand here apart from the fact that these people do not believe themselves to be Chinese. You cannot make someone want to be Chinese, so there is really nothing to understand.
vesicles
Colonel
Completely agreed! Every region of the country has their own distinct history. That does not mean any of them should consider becoming independent. Beijing, for a long, belonged to another country (Jin empire, as an example). But it is now unquestionably the capital city of China.