Hong-Kong Protests

supersnoop

Major
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20 000 is more than enough for a civil war.

Only luck of HK is China has control above the sea, so the Capitol cant shift the situation to civil war by shipping heavy weapons to the rioters. (like in Syria)

You can't be serious...

First, 20,000 is enough? vs. PLA on home field?

Second, do you really think the US would be that daring as to instigate insurrection on a peer-level adversary? The potential blowback would be too heavy a price to pay.

Even if you look at the strategy in Eastern Europe, it is one of "containment", not direct confrontation, even when face to face like at Pristina Airport back in the day.

Think about it this way. LA Gangs in 90's got Norinco banned from the US market, that was not an organized governmental effort. If the US government were to arm HK insurgents, then those smuggling taps would turn wide open, and LAPD police stations would look like the scene from the original Terminator.
 

Anlsvrthng

Captain
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You can't be serious...

First, 20,000 is enough? vs. PLA on home field?

Second, do you really think the US would be that daring as to instigate insurrection on a peer-level adversary? The potential blowback would be too heavy a price to pay.

Even if you look at the strategy in Eastern Europe, it is one of "containment", not direct confrontation, even when face to face like at Pristina Airport back in the day.

Think about it this way. LA Gangs in 90's got Norinco banned from the US market, that was not an organized governmental effort. If the US government were to arm HK insurgents, then those smuggling taps would turn wide open, and LAPD police stations would look like the scene from the original Terminator.
20 000 thousand person is more than enough to make extreme damage to a 5-10 million city, if they receive supply from a bigger country.

Check whats happened in Syria, the anti Assad forces has few 10 000 man , but it is more than enough to kill 100 000 thousand of civilians .



If HK has weaker connection with China (or it is independent ) , then it can be an option for the Capitol.

But as a starter China has control above the sea around HK, so it is not possible .

Again, the residents of HK are very lucky : )


Russia size and her nuclear arsenal didn't prevented the USA from support Georgia / Ukraine just to cause trouble and so on.
 
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AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
These protestors can't even pick a leader and somehow they're a fighting force? When the guns come out these protestors will be scurrying back into their holes. It's easy to face the police when you know they're not going to use deadly force. Which country would dare to ship weapons to these protestors which would be an act of war? Is this like how these protestors think they can violently attack people who simply disagree with them while whining the police are being too mean to them? Like China can't easily place a blockade on Hong Kong?

When you read military forums, you always hear how training makes a difference. I read comments to articles on Hong Kong and I see a lot of commenters talk as if these violent protestors are equivalent to special forces. Have you seen the videos of these protestors fighting? It's a bunch of whimpy nerds rioting. I'll give you the one thing alone they do which why they will lose. Give them an assault rifle but they will still find it necessary to carry an umbrella in the other hand. Yeah they don't need training and they'll beat the PLA?

Yes think civil war because everyone knows the West ain't going to help but give lip service. These protestors start killing people just for disagreeing with them and that's what's going to happen if they had weapons and somehow people think China has to stay out of China. These protestors are encouraging war between China and the West. And their side is about peace? These Hong Kongers believe in children's fairy tales where they think their white knights, the West, will come to save the damsels (themselves) in distress. Does the damsel have oil? Is the damsel holding unique strategic territory that gives the US control over the region? What have Hong Kongers done for the world that they think others countries' soldiers dying for them is worth saving them? Are Hong Kongers notorious for their humanitarian efforts around the world? The US just abandoned the Kurds who helped them fight ISIS and leave them to be slaughtered by other US allies. And somehow these arrogant Hong Kongers think the West should send in their soldiers to die for Hong Kongers that have done nothing for anyone but themselves? Let's not forget the possibility of nuclear war. I'm sure they're okay with the US nuking China for them. What about all the US cities burning in a nuclear fire? All those lives lost just because Hong Kongers think they're that important. Of course the reality is that's not going to happen but Hong Kongers think it will and they don't have one thought about the consequences. Yeah, civil war... please, and then China will have an excuse... What is the US going to do? Go to war...?
 
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Survey reveals widening rift between generations of Hongkongers over anti-government protests
  • Some 42 per cent of young Hongkongers surveyed frequently or occasionally argued with their parents over past few months, ‘current affairs’ being the major provocation
  • Youngsters ranked freedoms as the most important core value, while their parents considered social stability above all
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my comment:

those "aged between 18 and 29" will be aged 46 -- 58 in 2047 (don't nitpick someone might be 59 or something),

those "aged between 54 and 73" will be aged 82 -- 101 in 2047
 

KYli

Brigadier
Survey reveals widening rift between generations of Hongkongers over anti-government protests
  • Some 42 per cent of young Hongkongers surveyed frequently or occasionally argued with their parents over past few months, ‘current affairs’ being the major provocation
  • Youngsters ranked freedoms as the most important core value, while their parents considered social stability above all
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my comment:

those "aged between 18 and 29" will be aged 46 -- 58 in 2047 (don't nitpick someone might be 59 or something),

those "aged between 54 and 73" will be aged 82 -- 101 in 2047

Not everyone stayed at lalaland forever.
 
in the meantime
Politicians lash out at U.S. interference in Hong Kong affairs
Xinhua| 2019-12-09 17:25:08
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