Exactly, the MSM only report what their government want them to report!
Hong-Kong Protests
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Exactly, the MSM only report what their government want them to report!
A couple of points I want to ask.
What about that foreign journalist that the protesters are claiming is not allowed into HK.and the m0st common one people talk about on talkback radio is the question on "Universal Suffrage"with the lack of progess in its introduction.
First, which journalist you are refering to? Please privide name. Is it Mallet?
I really can't comment until we know who we talk about.
Second, "the universal suffrage" that "people talk about". Well, i'm not sure what is your social circle. But people I know usually have nothing to say...... because there is nothing to be said!
People who usually harping about it are the very same people out on the street of Hong Kong now rioting, beating and disturbing other peoples freedom to go about their business!
So let me answer that qustion by asking you a question. Do you believe that China promised "universal suffrage"?
Actually, judging by the way you proposed the question, I think I know what the answer is going to be. But be that as it may, I'll link a BBC's view (now that's a news/current affair source you must trust, right)!
So even the BBC have said that China has stuck to the letter of the joint declaration, and in it no universal suffrage was ever promised! They did went on to say, maybe China did not act within the spirit of the declaration! lol. I could argue that too, but I supposed I should let them have that one in the SPIRIT of goodwill to all man! Lol
Actually, the Basic Law did state the ultimate goal is universal suffrage. But there was no mentioning of deadline for its implementation. So it can be tomorrow or 2048 for all that matters.
In Article 45:
"The method for selecting the Chief Executive shall be specified in the light of the actual situation in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region and in accordance with the principle of gradual and orderly progress. The ultimate aim is the selection of the Chief Executive by universal suffrage upon nomination by a broadly representative nominating committee in accordance with democratic procedures. "
The fundamental problem with HK is widening wealth disparity. This, ironically, is a natural product of capitalism.
Do people really think that transitioning to universal suffrage is suddenly going to close the income gap and solve their problems? If anything, that's just going to make it even worse by electing more clowns into the government.
Hmm,I don't think China was very happy with the last GG's actions so no I do not think they would have promised "universal sufferage"
Yeah Mallet is the guy I was thinking of. He might be a nuisance, but if they can put up with NED ,whats one pain in the butt reporter?
NOT TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM FOR 50 YEARS!
This is a good argument point. At the time the Joint Declaration was signed, HK governor was still appointed by London. So, to keep the system unchanged for another 50 years, Beijing has the responsibility to keep appointing HK governor until 2047.
This effectively ends any arguments about the Western TRASH of universal suffrage in HK. If London couldn't give you, the HKcockroaches， universal suffrage for the past 99 years, don't even wet-dream you could have it from Beijing in the next 50 years.
Sorry Just4Fun. I did not suggest india bring back corporal punishment on Kashmir. What I meant was since HK protester are nostalgic of British rule, HK Police can emulate the British practice. Caning and flogging for petty crimes was still being practice at least until 1989 or likely later, 5 years after the Sino-British Joint Declaration on the question of Hong Kong. Human Rights apparently was the least of UK concern when the joint declaration was signed.
BTW. Don't think caning and flogging was as widely practice in Australia and NZ.
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how you doing Dolce., Yesterday at 8:40 PM
so:
I then asked you to show me some of my posts which you perceived as "fake news"
so:
Jura The idiot
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I assume you refer to Yesterday at 6:22 PM
where I knew I'd make an imprecise statement, so I enclosed it in quotes, hoping it's clear I meant to say the UK would be involved in HK matters
this is actually a very interesting question which I've tackled many times in discussions related to Central Europe in the interwar period; first I'll answer and then briefly describe some historic events;
my answer is "not necessarily"
and (LOL this part of course unrelated to HK, but needed to make my point)
1. Czechoslovakia-Romania-Yugoslavia treaty () stipulated when, how many, and what type of units (by the way including cavalry squadrons) each country would have to send in case of war between the treaty's members and Hungary, and of course they'd declare war on Hungary;
2. Czechoslovakia-France treaty didn't have an annex as in #1, so even if France declared war on Germany in case Czechoslovakia had been attacked by Germany, France wouldn't have been obliged to actually fight Germany (this is important for events leading to );
3. Poland-France treaty didn't have an annex as in #1 either, and once France declared war on Germany on September 3, 1939, had begun
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OK let me see since you persist. Obviously many members agree that you have a tendency to post falsehood without verification based on the response to my post.
where to start.
Lookin at one of your recent post.
First, You still referred to the Sino-British Joint Declaration for handover of Hong Kong as a treaty despite being repeatedly told that it is not. You ignored all those It shows lack of respect.
Second, you state that this declaration (or treaty as you erroneously keep repeating) has UK involvement until 2047 which it does not. UK role in this declaration with completed of handover in 1997. You failed to show what actions UK has post 1997 despite repeated being asked to do so. the declaration itself does not support your repeated assertion.
Third, you posted a link that has proven to be a fake website.
You have a propensity to post inflamatory fake news and they typically start as "Now I Read <<Full Stop>>". You make no other comments which means you are unwilling take responsibility for the content which oftentimes are inflamatory. True? Deny if you like but your actions reveal your intent. Why even post if you have no comment or opinion other than to provoke and elicit an angry response. Those articles are not even rare as they are posted all over MSM on top of google news. You post them here in your face with intent to upset.
Once you posted a blog or tabloid site and was told it was not even remotely reliable source. You counter with what was supposed to be a reliable source. You suggested perhaps global times, Xinhua, or People Daily punctuated by "LOL". Yet another attempt to provoke and ridicule by equating them to a blog or tabloid.
Not sure how Machiavellian behaviors are valued in your part of the world. We have many smart members in this forum with serious topics and we all deserve some respect. People have mostly learned to ignore your oftentimes meaningless post as the moderators seems to tolerate your behavior. If you have anything of substance to post. By all means do so. Otherwise, do a quick verification before posting something inflammatory and not just "NOW I READ" unless you intention is as I stated.
Clear?