Hong-Kong Protests

Dolcevita said:

maybe tomorrow. please.

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no problem, tomorrow I'll need to kill time on a train, so if you linked any of my previous posts for containing "fake news", I'd take a look; actually I'm intrigued to know what exactly you meant

hope to hear from you

Jura said:

well in this conversation you've asked eight questions before
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#226 vesicles, Today at 5:12 PM

#228 vesicles, Today at 5:52 PM

#232 vesicles, Today at 6:31 PM

so now I see I missed what appears to be your most important question, of what would be an enforcement of that treaty's violation, and my answer is I don't know

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If you don’t know the answer, how could you make the statement that the UK is there for HK? If you don’t know what you can do, promising support would be an empty statement, yes?

Jura said:

the name of the treaty is
Joint Declaration of the Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the Government of the People's Republic of China on the Question of Hong Kong (

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hope you see it's a treaty between the UK and China, so UK "is there for HK" (until 2047 -- but that's a different story)

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That's great! But as Vesicles and I have been saying, if UK feels their honour is at stake! Then they are free to send in the gunboats just like did twice with China and countless other times, most recently the Suez canal debacle!

vesicles said:

What do you mean by “there for HK”? How so? Does the declaration spell out any specific actions that the UK is legally bound to do? Note that a legal document is not about moral support. It needs to spell out actions. What are UK’s actions?

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Its unbelievable, i seen a documentary someehere that suggested the reasons the joint declearaton was to give Britain some dignity. In other way to save face for Britain.

But no matter, as I said it make no difference, if Britain feel so strongly about it, then do something, send in the gunboat, otherwise shut the hell up.

The recent embarrassment regarding the "detaintion" of Hong Kong staffer so tell them something about sticking their unwanted nose into someone else's business!

Just4Fun said:

LMFAO!
Liberal world? What is liberal world?
Including India?
Oh, right. India.
What HK police need is only an Indian police wooden stick, and beat the mob up. Then the youth cockroach mob in HK will remember for the rest of their life that Western LIBERAL WORLD is good for nothing.

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In a recent protest in Kasmire, the indian police shot two protestors point blank. Did the MSM report it?? I give you one guess.

Gatekeeper said:

In a recent protest in Kasmire, the indian police shot two protestors point blank. Did the MSM report it?? I give you one guess.

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IoK (Indian Occupied Kashmir) is under curfew since 20 days, there is no supply of foods/medicine & supplies, no media coverage/ no phone access/no internet. more than 4000 people are arrested & situation is very critical there.

But as usual world is been hostage due to different financial interests at the cost of humanity.

More than 900,000 Indian army personnel are in Kashmir and kicked all UN resolutions.

vesicles said:

I’m NOT playing with words. I am simply confused. And I am asking a question and begging for clarification. The same question that I’ve been asking for the past 3-4 posts: what exactly does the UK plan to do, per the joint declaration? It’s straightforward question. I honestly don’t see any trick or trap in it. All you need to do is to give me a list, bullet point of what the UK plans to do. You have a copy of the declaration...

You are the one who brought up the declaration and is trying to use it to support your claim. You can’t just throw out a piece of document and say “here! Here is my evidence! But you need to explain it to me why it can support my claim!” It’s your evidence. You need to explain it to me.

I’m no lawyer either, nor an expert on international law. That’s why I need some explanation, which you have not given in any meaningful manner. Again, keep in mind that you are the one who put forth the declaration as your support. Some rationale would be nice.

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Its clear why he put that joint declearation out, it is because he believes that UK has a stake in this Hong Kong nonsense.

A joint declearaton is not a treaty, in it, China has given an undertaking NOT TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM FOR 50 YRARS!
And thus far, China has kept its word despite what MSM is claiming. And all countries know this including the UK!

Which is why there is very little the UK can do about it even if they wanted to! But of course, in the good old days, GREAT BRITAIN could/would just do that with a seconds thought!

And the least we mention about the Hong Kong staffer the better. Its funny, I don't see a singe MSM reporting that case. I wonder why!

manqiangrexue said:

This is basically my interpretation of the Joint Declaration:

When you were a skinny pimply-faced 16 year old, a thug car-jacked you and told you if you want your car back, you pay him $100 a month for the next 30 years and he'll give it back to you. Seeing no other option, you sign a contract with him and get your car back. 10 years into it, you are now a 26 year old 280 pound professional MMA fighter who could shove the thug into a locker while texting your girlfriend with your other hand. Are you still gonna keep paying the thug his monthly extortion money which you "agreed" to?

I wouldn't.

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That's not far of the mark as you think. (I know its a joke kind of way).

Let me explaine.

Just before Hong Kong were due to be return to China, Britain thought long and hard on how to squeeze one last drop of gold from Hong Kong!

Then, hey presto. The airport project was devised. Much to the annoyance of the Chinese.

This project squeeze so much money out of Hong Kong, in fact Hong Kong people still paying for it now.

I was working in London at that time, I have a friend that run an employment agency in Kingston, London. The amount he and his cohort is raking in you wont believe. He keep telling me its thanks to Hong Kong that he was able to buy his house outright!

He supply all labour to the airport project. And all the finance was raised in. London, meaning they are still reaping the reward on the repayment on the loan.

HSBC make so much money then, and all through 150 years of operating in Hong Kong, upsticks and move to the UK just before the handover.

This is why, you wont see me banking with HSBC in the UK.

Jura said:

so now I see I missed what appears to be your most important question, of what would be an enforcement of that treaty's violation, and my answer is I don't know

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As we keep TELLING YOU. I'M NOW SHOUTING!

There's no treaty! Period!

And furthermore, there's NO violation on the "treaty" or the declaration!

vesicles said:

If you don’t know the answer, how could you make the statement that the UK is there for HK? If you don’t know what you can do, promising support would be an empty statement, yes?

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I think he knows his answer, and he thought the information backs up his opinons that good old Great Britain have the right to interfer! But when that was challenged and turned out wrong, he's now blaming the source of that information! Lol