Hong-Kong Protests

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  1. manqiangrexue
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    Well, Trump is one part but China is another. This is the real world, not a test tube experiment so I cannot isolate a single variable but the trend is in fact going well. You cannot use this complexity to insist that your hypothesis (China sucks as propaganda) is true and bend all other variables to suit it. Need I remind you, the most direct line of evidence at China's capability at controlling minds is the vast majority support that the CCP enjoys in China which the US can only dream of for any GOP let alone Trump's. I have provided you with all this evidence yet you still cling to Hong Kong despite it being a severe outlier.

    Speaking of Hong Kong, in the near term, yes it is. But in the long term, its future will be brighter than ever before. Rioters do what they do out of desperation, like an animal in its death throes. Even their controllers are desperate because China is growing just too fast. Hong Kong will be fully in the PRC's hands in a matter of time (not more than 28 years) and then we can start to build it correctly, eventually becoming a successful city of patriots. It will be a grueling process and there could be a lot of suffering in the meantime but it reminds me of training an experienced weightlifter with bad habits. He has been lifting for many years without a coach (or in this case, a poisonous one) so he has made substantial progress but hit a brick wall in improvement due to severe deficits in his form (such as inward knees, rounded back, early hip shooting, etc...). At first, we need to deconstruct all of his experiences, which will be painful; he will fight it, argue that the new way feels strange, complain that using proper form over his style, he lifts substantially less. But we will keep the weights low and place all emphasis on his new correct form. In time, he will start to add more and more weight while lifting correctly and eventually break through his former plateau into new heights. This is Hong Kong's long term bright future as a proud city of China, but now, it is just beginning its painful period of deconstruction.
     
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    If there is any silver lining in this shitty mess at all, is that things might have finally hit rock bottom, now it can only go up haha... I wish.... However the social divide it causes is not going away in near future, and make no mistake the perpetrators will draw this out for as long as possible, and HK government might just be dumb enough (high possibility) to give them a hand.

    Your saying about deconstruction do ring true to me. Hong Kong is held back by it's real-state situation, a handful of corporate have absolute stranglehold on the market and I am forever perplexed that no politician (or rioters) ever spoke out against them, go figure.... So yes, if Hong Kong were to bounce back at all there would have to be a fair bit of deconstructing and reconstructing, such an undertaking is for sure out of the realm of possibility for our dear Hong Kong government, we'll see if CCP has the stuff for it.

    You know what is suspicious? Local media is overwhelmingly supportive to the rioters and anti-government, while this maybe a simple case of sentiment, one must also note that those media are owned by those very realstate Tycoons I'm talking about. Makes you wonder where is their place in all of this.
     
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    It is kind of cathartic to talk about my feelings about this as police sirens blaring out my window, still can't sleep in 4am. Being a HKer sucks, being a rational HKer suck a lot more.
     
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    My post has nothing to say about which side you are on. I don't care which side you think you are on. What I care about is to remind you to stop using mental-masturbating cheap-shot ideas that came out of the same mentality of those right-wing Japanese, even if you are coming from the opposite side. Because, in reality, a lot of time you can easily defend a point with perfect reasoning, yet still be dead wrong.

    For example, did the US lost the Vietnam War? Well, for a lot of zealous US patriots, they always argue that the US never loses, the US always wins. They can say that they killed far more Viet Cong. They can come up with a thousands reasons that will defend their points that the US has won. And this is just to make themselves feel better.

    The same goes with Bannon the scammer and his crowd. He doesn't even need to make logical sense. He can just pull it out of his ass. With that Ivy League education of his, he can actually argue and defend his same point whether the PAP enters Hong Kong or not:

    If the PAP does no enter, he will say that the CCP is effectively deterred by international pressure from doing so because Hong Kong is too important to the PRC.

    If the PAP enters, he will say that Hong Kong is too important to PRC and the damage is so devastating, that the CCP is forced to sent in the PAP even though this will tarnish the reputation of the PRC.

    This is why I will throw whatever that comes out of Bannon's scamming mouth like garbage. Don't follow his foot steps.
     
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    The rioters have been setting up roadblocks. They would stop and examine vehicles and ask to see your wallets and ID. Their intention is to seek out pro-China supporters and off-duty police. Kids have been sent to nearby police station to record the license plates of off-duty police.

    It has been confirmed by multiple HK forums but not confirmed by newspapers or videos yet. "Rumors also claimed that the rioters would ask for donation HKD $100 or more to allow vehicles to pass through the roadblocks."



    http://std.stheadline.com/daily/article/detail/2073608/日報-港聞-網傳示威者設路障查車-尋警-施襲

    The police are concerned about radical demonstrators. They have blocked roads in various districts from time to time, and even set up roadblocks to check the cars and "seek police". This newspaper noticed that protesters on the Internet called to set up roadblocks in groups of five, and targeted off-duty police officers and "brainwashed-blues shirt supporters". But even in the LIHKG discussion forum, there were people who said that everything should be based on the interests of the public. The police yesterday expressed severely condemning the actions of the demonstrators. They believed that the self-erected roadblocks would endanger the safety of road users and would commit related crimes. The maximum sentence was five years. The public was urged to report the illegal roadblocks.

    Some netizens said that they were driving to the Aberdeen Tunnel on the way. They found that demonstrators blocked the road with debris. From the online clips, during the blockade of the demonstrators, demonstrators set up the roadblocks like the way police officers set up roadblocks and intercepted vehicles. The police said yesterday that they noticed that in recent days, demonstrators built roadblocks with debris in the multi-regional roads in Hong Kong, intercepted passing vehicles and severely condemned the actions of demonstrators. They also pointed out that the above actions endanger the safety of road users and also have opportunities to commit crime. Those who commit illegal assembly or loitering are liable on conviction to a maximum of five years and two years in prison. The police also appealed to members of the public to report suspected illegal roadblocks during driving. Please report the case immediately. The police will also send staff to handle the road patrols and crack down on illegal activities.


    網傳示威者設路障查車 「尋警」施襲

    星島日報報道)警方關注有激進示威者,近日不時在各區堵路,甚至自設路障查車「尋警」施襲。本報留意到有人在網上呼籲以五人一組設立路障,並以休班警員及「腦殘藍絲」為目標,但連登討論區亦有人指凡事要以大眾利益為主。警方昨表示嚴厲譴責示威者的行為,認為自設路障會危害道路使用者安全,且會干犯相關罪行,最高判囚五年,呼籲市民遇到違法路障應報警處理。

    有網民指日前駕車前往香港仔隧道途中,發現有示威者以雜物堵路,從網上片段所見,示威者堵路期間,竟如警員設置路障,截查途經車輛。警方昨日表示,留意到近日有示威者在全港多區馬路上,用雜物築成路障,截查路過車輛,嚴厲譴責示威者行為,並指出上述行為危害道路使用者的安全,亦有機會干犯非法集結罪或遊蕩罪,一經定罪,分別最高可判處監禁五年及兩年。警方又呼籲市民駕駛期間遇上懷疑違法路障請即時報案,警方會派員處理,亦已加強路面巡邏,打擊違法行為。

    網上有疑似示威者發出的帖文,指近日路障行動成功,包括逼使元朗休班警下車,認為一定要由全副裝備(Full Gear)的勇武派執行,呼籲示威者以五人為一組,在警察寓所主要通道架設路障,截查車內人士,並以警員及其家人或「腦殘藍絲」為目標,目的是令他們受怕,停止支持特區政府的「暴政」,一旦發現目標要為其拍照及檢查銀包,遇上反抗便要「自衞」。

    連登亦有帖文認為,設置路障可以堵塞私家車阻礙警方布防,令警員在水泄不通的道路上,無法擺護盾陣及衝前,故不應再放車離開,認為車主及乘客可以離開車廂以免危險。

    不過,亦有持不同意見的網民留言,指出事前應該多做文宣向車主解釋情況及應變策略,而非不負責任地指罵車主們不了解現況,認為「民眾安全應受到重視,凡事要為大眾利益為主」,別以個人利益蓋過大眾利益,又重提六七暴動有市民被炸死導致民意逆轉的事件。
     
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    Jura, what do you take me for?! Don't you remember? You taught me how to be a jester and just joke it off. And now you are putting "I" and "afraid" in the same sentence, and without a "not"? I am so saddened that my SENSEI is a mere mortal. What happened to "why so serious"?
     
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    I don't know what kind of point are you saying about cheap shot or what not. My entire post was to point out the US is employing unconventional tactics in Hong Kong and it is working, this fact is objectively true so what cheap shot?
     
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    Well, those masked brats are burning shops, smashing windows and beating up people. Why aren't they arrested? Or, should I say, even if they are arrested, how long are staying in jail? Do they even stay in jail?
     
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    My post was responding to your post saying "You might want to read my post carefully before you decide which side I am on." I know which side you are on. You love Hong Kong. You want nothing but the best for Hong Kong. You want to have stability and have things turned back to normal, back to the rule of law. I am on your side.

    However, you might need to hear this. This unconventional tactics of the US work ONLY on a society like Hong Kong. If you think the CCP is weak on unconventional warfare, and the US is strong on this, you are pretty much blaming the CCP for not being strong enough to counter the US unconventional warfare.

    This is not right. The CCP doesn't get nearly enough freedom to set up institution in Hong Kong as the West does. The HK society has restricted PRC institutions, and uses the 1C2S as excuses. It's not even a leveled playing field for the CCP/PRC in Hong Kong.
     
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    And you'll find a lot of those judges are ethnically Chinese. My point is ethnicity does not factor into it.
     
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