J-20 5th Generation Fighter VII

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siegecrossbow

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Not to go off topic too much but are there USAF F-35 physically stationed in any of the East Asian bases for the long term?
 

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Can satellite track and lock on to stealth targets then to have missile guide to it? This is a good option rather than putting ISR planes at risk. ISR planes have a limited range too
 

pevade

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Can satellite track and lock on to stealth targets then to have missile guide to it? This is a good option rather than putting ISR planes at risk. ISR planes have a limited range too
I mean, visual tracking is inconsistent and isn't exactly precise enough. Not to mention how are those optical satellites supposed to get height information of the target?
 

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Can satellite track and lock on to stealth targets then to have missile guide to it? This is a good option rather than putting ISR planes at risk. ISR planes have a limited range too
Small sound recording stations intalled everywhere on first and second island chain and arround airfields could do the trick of monitoring movements, liftoffs and types of aircrafts 24hours a day without a lot of processing and cost. It could even surpass satellites to track stealth aircraft. You can determine kill zones and send J-20 for interception.

If you have a fleet of spy satellites big enough to have near continuous observation of airfields to detect liftoff of stealth aircrafts, you can scramble jet accordingly. Cloud cover, smoke, laser dazzling could deter that and time on station of satellites is quite small so you need a big number of them. For naval asset, ships are way easier to track so you can deny carrier groups fighters with evaluating the best area to cover for interception.

Detecting tankers deserving stealth fighters would be way easier if they are going in long range mission. Denying access of tanker is mission kill.

In any case, against a stealth fighter, another stealth fighter is the best weapon and the end of the kill chain. Having more fuel and range is clearly an asset in that case.
 

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Can satellite track and lock on to stealth targets then to have missile guide to it? This is a good option rather than putting ISR planes at risk. ISR planes have a limited range too
Not that it can't happen

The problem is visible spectrum and IR track is too dependent on weather and time. At any acceptable level of detection performance, you are going to have a tiny FoV for any practical satellite. Then there are problems with persistence.
So you might get to track a few aircraft from their take-off if you have good persistence over its area of operation.

You need radars on satellites. Radars have a good range at good volume scanning rates. But looking downward comes with problems here. This is an emerging tech. And China is indeed working on it. You can find many research articles like this:
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siegecrossbow

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J-20 releasing flares/chaff in an aerial combat exercise.

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Not that it can't happen

The problem is visible spectrum and IR track is too dependent on weather and time. At any acceptable level of detection performance, you are going to have a tiny FoV for any practical satellite. Then there are problems with persistence.
So you might get to track a few aircraft from their take-off if you have good persistence over its area of operation.

You need radars on satellites. Radars have a good range at good volume scanning rates. But looking downward comes with problems here. This is an emerging tech. And China is indeed working on it. You can find many research articles like this:
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An Ultra large aperture array will require crazy amount of power. Sounds to me like a very theoretical simulation with very far off applications.
 

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61? Didn't LockMart mentioned about reaching an annual production rate of ~150 F-35s this year?


2035 is more than a decade away.

I'd make that F-35 number to 500, since it does look like Japan, South Korea and Australia are gearing up for war with China with ever increasing "defense" spendings. Coupled with the ever expanding presence of the US military in the IndoPac region, I believe the number of 5th-gen fighters that China has to face against by 2035 could go up to 1000-1200.

Even so, if Patch's information is accurate, i.e. Chengdu can reach 100 airframes this year and maintain similar production rate for the coming years at the very least, then China is perfectly capable of operating the same numbers of 5th-gen fighters as their Japanese, South Korean and Australian counterparts with the J-20 by 2025/2026, and these countries plus the Murican F-35s in the IndoPac region by 2031/2032.

Adding that if the J-35 and/or J-31 can enter service and serial production by 2025-2027 - Plus assuming that Shenyang is capable of building 50 J-35s and/or J-31s from 2027 onwards - Then China can move that 1000-1200 5th-gen fighters-goal forward to 2029/2030.

Though, we can only hope that China manages to catch up with the US in terms of introducing 6th-gen fighters into active service, which are expected in the first half of the 2030s.
I don't think it is right to underestimate American F-35 counts. Sure the base limit how many can be deployed at once, but if there are loss there can still be replacement. Hence all of American F-35 should be accounted, PLA is just not fighting all of them at once.
 

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I don't think it is right to underestimate American F-35 counts. Sure the base limit how many can be deployed at once, but if there are loss there can still be replacement. Hence all of American F-35 should be accounted, PLA is just not fighting all of them at once.
Is there any data on the maintenance of the J-20?
From what can be understood from the Finnish F-35 purchase contract is that the maintenance of the invisible "paint" of the aircraft is incredibly complex and expensive, I seem to remember that half of the contract was the refurbishment of Finnish airbases for the aircraft.
If you destroy these maintenance hangars you quickly degrade the F-35 of its greatest advantage, which is invisibility and in general what the whole aircraft depends on, which is a bit stupid if the war drags on and doesn't last just a few weeks ...
 
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