Lessons for China to learn from Ukraine conflict for Taiwan scenario

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Michaelsinodef

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Here is another a lesson from the war in Ukraine for a Taiwan contingent. China is working on a 203mm super heavy artillery system to blast fortifications.

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Nah, it still that shit about the PLASSF putting a request for a 203 mm artillery to be used for some testing lol.

It's not gonna end developing into some 203 mm artillery for use against Taiwan.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Here is another a lesson from the war in Ukraine for a Taiwan contingent. China is working on a 203mm super heavy artillery system to blast fortifications.

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Nah, it still that shit about the PLASSF putting a request for a 203 mm artillery to be used for some testing lol.

It's not gonna end developing into some 203 mm artillery for use against Taiwan.
I believe that the 203mm-caliber artillery still has its viability, not just in terms of enhancing its punching power, but increased range too.

For the later, the usefulness of said artillery shouldn't be merely limited for Kinmen and Matsu only.

China's PLZ-05 and PCL-181 have maximum firing ranges of around 70 kilometers (with rocket-assisted projectiles).

Station them on eastern regions of Penghu, and they can hit targets around the coastal regions of Chiayi County (but outside the city limit itself).

If we can replace PLZ-05 and PCL-181 with the alleged 203mm artillery - Which has a greater range of, let's say around 90-110 kilometers - Then targets located around and within the cities of Chiayi and Tainan can be struck as well.

(For reference, the prototype M1299 self-propelled howitzer currently being tested by the US Army is able to reach 110 kilometers with the XM1155 sub-caliber projectile.)

Of course, Penghu Islands have to be secured by the PLA to offer staging grounds for the 203mm artillery pieces to work. It is also preferable that Y-20s can airdrop this artillery for rapid deployment needs.

Other than the Taiwan scenario, this artillery can also be deployed in the Himalayas and the Korean Peninsula.
 
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vincent

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I believe that the 203mm-caliber artillery still has its viability, not just in terms of enhancing its punching power, but increased range too.

For the later, the usefulness of said artillery shouldn't be merely limited for Kinmen and Matsu only.

China's PLZ-05 and PCL-181 have maximum firing ranges of around 70 kilometers (with rocket-assisted projectiles).

Station them on eastern regions of Penghu, and they can hit targets around the coastal regions of Chiayi County (but outside the city limit itself).

If we can replace PLZ-05 and PCL-181 with the alleged 203mm artillery - Which has a greater range of, let's say around 90-110 kilometers - Then targets located around and within the cities of Chiayi and Tainan can be struck as well.

(For reference, the prototype M1299 self-propelled howitzer currently being tested by the US Army is able to reach 110 kilometers with the XM1155 sub-caliber projectile.)

Of course, Penghu Islands have to be secured by the PLA to offer staging grounds for the 203mm artillery pieces to work. It is also preferable that Y-20s can airdrop this artillery for rapid deployment needs.

Other than the Taiwan scenario, this artillery can also be deployed in the Himalayas and the Korean Peninsula.
GPS/Inertial guidance glide bombs are much more powerful and effective
 

plawolf

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Heavy artillery is really only the best sub-optimal solution when you can’t secure air superiority to use the best solution against fortifications and other hardened targets - aero bombardment.

Even the Russians are learning this first hand in Ukraine when glide bombs can cause damage exponentially greater than vastly greater numbers (and net explosive weight delivered on target) of small artillery shells.

Why go to the trouble of develop, procuring and fielding super heavy artillery, only to then have a huge deployment and supply problem to overcome to use them in a Taiwan scenario when the PLAAF is already almost certain to easily and quickly achieve air dominance over Taiwan to allow them to just delete fortifications with heavyweights penetrator bombs?
 

B.I.B.

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I worry in the conflict between China and the US over Taiwan, the US use the opportunity to try and bomb/destroy the living bejeezus "out of China's infrastructure as they did in Iraq. The West is trying its best to avoid attacking Russia proper in this conflict which won't be the case in a war against China where the aim is to destroy China's industrial production. It does not appear to me That China can retaliate in a similar fashion.
 

Michaelsinodef

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I worry in the conflict between China and the US over Taiwan, the US use the opportunity to try and bomb/destroy the living bejeezus "out of China's infrastructure as they did in Iraq. The West is trying its best to avoid attacking Russia proper in this conflict which won't be the case in a war against China where the aim is to destroy China's industrial production. It does not appear to me That China can retaliate in a similar fashion.
Where do you get the idea that the US would somehow easily be able to or even widely destroy a lot of China's infrastructure?
 

Biscuits

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I worry in the conflict between China and the US over Taiwan, the US use the opportunity to try and bomb/destroy the living bejeezus "out of China's infrastructure as they did in Iraq. The West is trying its best to avoid attacking Russia proper in this conflict which won't be the case in a war against China where the aim is to destroy China's industrial production. It does not appear to me That China can retaliate in a similar fashion.
PRC's economy as calculated by Beijing only counts the communist ruled areas though.

That means even if US attacks and PLA counterfire ends up turning Taiwan into a new Iraq, it won't really affect China's current economy.

China's industrial production is also far from contingent on the operation of it's settlements on Taiwan. If anything, China benefits from destroying anything on Taiwan that risks falling into American hands.

So I think both China and America can to some extent accept massive mutual strikes on the battleground (taiwan island). The Americans because that is the only area of China they can reach, and for China, because they need to get rid of America aligned rebels ASAP, no matter the cost.
 

supersnoop

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Ironically ROCA is one of the few remaining operators of the 203mm M110A2
Of course it is an old system with relatively limited range by modern standards.
Most likely this is an "academic" type of project. Kind of similar to that super long high velocity tank gun that didn't really go anywhere from a few years ago.
 

B.I.B.

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PRC's economy as calculated by Beijing only counts the communist ruled areas though.

That means even if US attacks and PLA counterfire ends up turning Taiwan into a new Iraq, it won't really affect China's current economy.

China's industrial production is also far from contingent on the operation of it's settlements on Taiwan. If anything, China benefits from destroying anything on Taiwan that risks falling into American hands.

So I think both China and America can to some extent accept massive mutual strikes on the battleground (taiwan island). The Americans because that is the only area of China they can reach, and for China, because they need to get rid of America aligned rebels ASAP, no matter the cost.
Perhaps you're right, but aren't theshipyards in China vulnerable? Take them and related industries out and they won't be able to fix or replace damaged and sunk naval units let alone cargo ships.
 
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