Ermmmm, the 160th SOAR flies the MH-47
hope that explains the range being discussed
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Ermmmm, the 160th SOAR flies the MH-47
hope that explains the range being discussed
It doesn't matter, after the warships deployed by the UK to Asia reach the South China Sea, the economy will recover and everything will be fine.I'm sure a case of schadenfreude from the German media, but Germany isn't much better with strikes and inflation, highest in 70 years.
Food shortages, moldy apartments, a lack of medical workers: The United Kingdom is facing a perfect storm of struggle, and millions are sliding into poverty. There is little to suggest that improvement will come anytime soon.
By in London 18.04.2023, 15.17 Uhr
In the innermost chambers of the old palace, Britannia is still just as large as it once was. Vast paintings stretching up to the ceiling narrate the glorious triumphs of a stupendous global empire – of battles against the Danes, Napoleon, the Spanish Armada, of the subjugation of India and the settling of America.
Those wishing to enter Westminster Palace, for centuries the seat of British Parliament, must pass by bronze statues of pioneers, commanders and thinkers – Walpole, Gladstone, Lloyd George, Thatcher – and a life-sized Winston Churchill, who still seems to be watching over the lower house, once destroyed by German bombs.
With every echoing step, British parliamentarians are reminded by these weighty premises of their own importance.
It is rather rare, however, that one of them makes their way from the halls of parliament into the underworld of the old palace, which was once built on a swampy island in the Thames. Here, in the low-ceilinged, labyrinthine catacombs, the foundation of Britannia’s democracy is literally rotting away, largely out of sight and out of mind. Most of the structure is contaminated by asbestos, while thick tangles of cables hang chaotically from the ceiling and pipes suddenly come to an end, seemingly in the middle of nowhere.
Gas, power and water lines – all bunched together – run for several kilometers through the damp cellars. The fire alarm has been triggered more than 40 times here in the last 10 years, and fire experts are allegedly on patrol in the building 24 hours a day.
Seven years ago, an internal report outlined a "substantial and growing risk of … a catastrophic event," and the 1,000-room neo-Gothic monument with its 100 staircases is long overdue for a comprehensive renovation. It would take decades to complete and cost up to 22 billion pounds. But thus far, the honorable members of parliament have been unable to agree on when and how.
Built on a swamp: Westminster Palace in London
Foto: Andrew Testa
Pipes leading to nowhere: The basement of Westminster Palace
Foto: David Levene / ddp
Instead, inside the gold, brocade and hardwood-trimmed imperial halls upstairs, the country’s representatives continue to put on a show of democracy week after week while a time bomb continues to tick below them.
The old palace, in fact, has become a perfect symbol for the United Kingdom of today.
Boarded Up Windows
Things aren’t going well for the United Kingdom these days. For the past several months, the flow of bad news has been constant, the country’s coffers are empty, public administration is ineffective and the nation’s corporations are struggling. As this winter came to an end, more than 7 million people were waiting for a doctor’s appointment, including tens of thousands of people suffering from heart disease and cancer. According to government estimates, some 650,000 legal cases are still waiting to be addressed in a court of law. And those needing a passport or driver’s license must frequently wait for several months.
Boarded up windows and signs reading "To Let" and "To Rent" have become a common sight on the country’s high streets, while numerous products have disappeared from supermarket shelves. Recently, a number of chains announced that they would be rationing cucumbers, tomatoes and peppers for the foreseeable future.
Boarded up shops in Blackpool
Foto: Andrew Testa / DER SPIEGEL
"Whereas the number of billionaires in the UK – at 177 – is higher than it has ever been, millions of Britons have slid into poverty."
Last year, 560 pubs closed their doors forever, with thousands more soon to follow, according to the industry association. Without Oxfam, the Salvation Army and other charitable organizations that operate second-hand stores, numerous city centers would have almost no shops left at all.
Last week, the International Monetary Fund forecast that in no other industrialized nation would the economy develop as poorly as in Britain this year. Even Russia is expected to end up ahead of the UK.
One Pound Wonders
Whereas the number of billionaires in the UK – at 177 – is higher than it has ever been, millions of Britons have slid into poverty. Newspapers and television channels are full of cheap recipes and shows like Jamie Oliver’s "£1 Wonders." Since December, hardly a day has passed without a strike by bus drivers, medical workers, teachers, public servants, university employees or rail workers. Last week, assistant doctors across the country went on strike for four days, with the media calling on the populace to avoid all activities that could result in injury.
For many, the situation is reminiscent of the 1970s, when high debt, punishing inflation and widespread protests brought the country to its knees – leading Henry Kissinger, who was U.S. secretary of state at the time, to grumble from across the Atlantic: "Britain is a tragedy, reduced to begging, borrowing and stealing."
To be sure, after two years of pandemic and one year of war, the rest of Europe isn’t doing particularly well either. But nowhere is the feeling of having "lost the future" stronger than in Britain, according to the public opinion pollsters from Ipsos. In 2008, the year of the banking and financial crisis, 12 percent of people in the UK believed that their children would be worse off than them. Now, that number is 41 percent, Ipsos has found.
One significant reason for that pessimism is the fact that many simply no longer trust their speechifying politicians in Westminster to get much done. The Tory party, which has been in power now for a dozen years, has gone through four prime ministers since 2016 alone.
And even if the fifth in the series, Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, is doing all he can to leave behind the period of sloganeering and slapstick, the UK isn’t likely to recover from his predecessors any time soon. Particularly not from Boris Johnson, who still refuses to admit any personal responsibility for the plight in which Britain finds itself and continues to bleat in a huff from the sidelines.
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Well, but before that, the US must come clean on the "biggest civilians build-up in wartime".
It only says mission radius without specifying the loads included in that mission so cannot compare unless similar size and power choppers. regardless i doubt any other force getting trained on this scale of mission unless some niche special VIP or Presidential choppers with much reduce inside payload , larger fuel tanks, reduce vibrations, insulation etc.
Page 28. this French chopper range does not have payload given for range.
Take a step back and let's not fixate on non-stop endurance for a minute.
We have scant info on a 48hr(?) old op other than it involved 3x MH-47 flying out of Djibouti with Ethiopian overflight and refueling support.
Djibouti - Khartoum is about 2,400km round trip (hence 1,600miles?)
Border of Ethiopia - Khartoum is about 1,600km round trip
We know from the 160th past ops that IFR and FARPs feature strongly in their modus operandi for longer range helo ops.
Since specfor + 160th pretty much equals tier 1 ops which may mean a long wait for actual details or a i-was-there memoir, then we can only look to the 160th past ops for the possible rather than fixate on the impossible.
1) we know they landed in Ethiopia to refuel so that means at a stretch they could have done the final insert-extract in one go but nobody runs an op like this on fumes past BINGO so
2) IFR could have occured or been a back up.
3) if no ifr then in all likelihood, there were other assets that set up farps within Sudan for refueling or contingency.
4) also in the 160th playbook is that the Chinooks could have flown in with fuel bladders and in the 1hr that they were reported to be on the ground, topped up and discarded the empty bladders thereby removing the need for a farp in "hostile" territory.
Again, let's not fixate on the platform's absolute range and instead consider how various other units/platforms may have or were involved that act as multipliers.
What makes you think I was?
How does any of that dispute any of what I said?
Again, what makes you think I was?
Because of this initial post.
If not then consider it just a typical forum misunderstanding. Cheers
there’s a reason the balkans hate Albania, and it’s not simply because the balkans hate each other.
Don't think that if you acquiesce to the Anglos that you will be accepted; if China were to accept its 'role' within a Anglo led global order, it would just be a bigger Japan at the higher end and a bigger Philipinnes at the lower end and don't think the Anglos will respect you individually when they see you in society. Look at the treatment japanese culture gets: commodified and diminished to the point of being a release valve for the Incels of white anglo american society and a large open air brothel as in the case of the Philipinnes and Thailand.
You will have to fight with indians and their cousins for jobs that Anglo capital dominates because all of that Chinese capital and IP that would've gone into chinese national champions now go to the anglo american monied classes and they do not innovate, they rely on Chinese innovation in the form of chinese lab workers to make scientific breakthroughs so they can get their anglo american army of lawyers to IP troll their way through to a rentier future. Theres a reason why the Anglos are in decline and being violent as they are being, will not prevent that decline. Anglo culture is inherently insecure and obsessed with appearances- what they also call 'face'- such as the US need to appear strong, to negotiate 'from a position of strength', whilst sending out the reporters after you just got a talking to from Chinese diplomats.