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taxiya

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Are they going to ditch 5G infrastructure and attempt to usurp China lead in 6G instead?
Not really ditching 5G because 6G is an evolution of 5G, fundamentally the same thing just like 5G to 4G. For example, Cloud RAN is already a thing in 5G.

The US has a special interest in cloud RAN because they are stronger than Europe in cloud computing. Although US is weaker than Europe in Base station based radio domain (SW and HW), by forcing radio domain to be moved into cloud US can guarantee those radio parts are running on US platforms. It also force Europe (Ericsson and Nokia) and SK (Samsung) to live in US "prison".

While China is also strong in cloud computing, so it is not going to usurp China, but it is for US to get Europe and SK into its fold. One can say it is a looting of European and Korean's lead over US.
 

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Not really ditching 5G because 6G is an evolution of 5G, fundamentally the same thing just like 5G to 4G. For example, Cloud RAN is already a thing in 5G.

The US has a special interest in cloud RAN because they are stronger than Europe in cloud computing. Although US is weaker than Europe in Base station based radio domain (SW and HW), by forcing radio domain to be moved into cloud US can guarantee those radio parts are running on US platforms. It also force Europe (Ericsson and Nokia) and SK (Samsung) to live in US "prison".

While China is also strong in cloud computing, so it is not going to usurp China, but it is for US to get Europe and SK into its fold. One can say it is a looting of European and Korean's lead over US.
Empty political gestures. International standards and specifications in telecoms are formulated by international working groups made up of numerous companies, none of which includes political entities such as the White House. When technical decisions are going to be made by political actors, you end up with idiocy and self-destruction.
 

taxiya

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Empty political gestures. International standards and specifications in telecoms are formulated by international working groups made up of numerous companies, none of which includes political entities such as the White House. When technical decisions are going to be made by political actors, you end up with idiocy and self-destruction.
Well it is political driven but it does have materialistic impact. US will demand everything to be in cloud, Ericsson, Nokia and Samsung have no cloud platform, so they have to adopt their SW for US cloud machines.

This demand isn't in conflict with international standard as cloud RAN is going to be in the standard. It is not something forced by US. Huawei is also working on it since itself is a strong player in cloud computing.
 

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Well it is political driven but it does have materialistic impact. US will demand everything to be in cloud, Ericsson, Nokia and Samsung have no cloud platform, so they have to adopt their SW for US cloud machines.

This demand isn't in conflict with international standard as cloud RAN is going to be in the standard. It is not something forced by US. Huawei is also working on it since itself is a strong player in cloud computing.
Each of these companies seems to have their own software solution for this. I am not sure I see exactly where they need to adopt USG-approved (backdoor riddled) software. Is USG going to pick one of those and force all the others to use the same software?
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Do you instead mean that they want cloud RAN to be running from US-based data centers? That would make a lot more sense, but I don't think France or Hungary would accept any less than EU cloud RAN running in EU data centers. Germany, UK, and all the others though... I can see them going for whatever the US says.
 
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Are they going to ditch 5G infrastructure and attempt to usurp China lead in 6G instead?
Strange, when was the last time the USA manage to innovate in technology because as I recall, the F-35 was literally a trillion dollar disaster where a number of components come from China in such numbers where they literally have to put a waiver in just to prevent themselves from scraping the project due to they stupidity of having enemy components in their star project which is bound to make them useless in a fight against China, I mean a few times when they tried to use them against China it was intercepted by a j-20 just recently even though the USA pretends it have a stealth button (which is a load of nonsense) so the idea that the USA can innovate alone is almost as likely has Blinken becoming better at diplomacy which really is impossible.

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If they could innovate, that would have rubbed it in Chinas face right now but since they have nothing to show, I am curious to see what kind of 5G weapons China has that they will use against the USA and pretty much how bad of a blow will be inflicted on all of those US simps in the Asia pacific because they seem to think the US shaft is worth sucking them to accept that only China has balls in the entire Asia pacific. Yes, more balls then those so call samurai that have suddenly turn into a bunch of pillow hugger, even the younger generation of that nation can see this and which they had the same balls that China has but no, their leaders are busy sucking on that white stick in public.
 
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