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Kiet

Just Hatched
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They hate China for the Sino-Vietnam War of 1979-90 or this hatred roots back a millenia?
Most are recent, very recent in fact, and it is the direct result of propaganda from Le Duan (1976-1986) time. In the past, more then 100 years ago, the relationship actually are good and the cultural tie is deep.
The tension between Vietnam and China raised as a direct result of the Soviet - China tension and the decision of China to align with the US in the 70s. In the end, Vietnam chose the Soviet and signed a alliance treaty with the Soviet. Right after that, the propaganda system of Vietnam, learned from the Soviet has worked full time to demonized China and Chinese.
The policy to align with the Soviet cost us dearly
The rest is history, the Soviet lost, Vietnam lost the whole war (1979 - 1989), Vietnam has to come to China for peace, Cambodia fall back in China camp, the islands lost.
Now with the US-China tension, the US actively push the propaganda against China as well, hence the result: they re-use some propaganda of old and push that to social media
However, since 2019 - 2020, the US lost heavily in virtually all front, the propaganda in social media become more and more ridiculous.
 

KYli

Brigadier
Nearly all officials of Vietnam send their children to US and they come back to inherit the rule. 20 years from now on, you will see a completely different Vietnamese government with Western education and being more liberal than ever with extremely high nationalism. I can see the hostility toward China will actually increase. Their history textbooks already begin to remove the aid of China during the Vietnam wars and even begin to have a more favorable view of the South Vietnam regime.
For China, such scenario didn't happen. The reason is simple. Most of high ranking officials need to rise through the rank and need to demonstrate competency before getting promotion. Consequently, for someone to become the highest ranking officials, it would take a few decades. Therefore, their view and political affiliation are pretty clear to the party.

In the early days of reopening, China is more tolerant and allowed many more liberal thinking officials to rise to higher position. You can see that in 80s, 90s, and 00s. But that no longer is the case, as the new cold has started. That is why you see much more conservatives and hardliners come to power. And how they wean out all those liberals, it is pretty easy as there are long records of political views and thinking of officials as they rise through the rank.

So unless Vietnam decides to do nothing and don't wean out any incompetent libertards, what you said it is unlikely to happen without a coup. If a color revolution truly happened, then Vietnam would no longer pose a threat to China as infighting would de-mantle Vietnam's progress and Vietnam would be lucky to end up like Ukraine.
 

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In the No China, no deal link, see chart "Debt composition of developing countries by creditor" Notice the Bondholders portion. The MDB portion. The Other private creditors portion. The Paris Club portion.

The US-led World Bank and EU-led International Monetary Fund want (demand) China to forgive its BRI-related debts and to cancel most of its BRI-related projects. China is responding it is willing to share debt relief with the other debtors. The WB/IMF, under the hidden-hand direction of US Secretary of Treasury Janet Yellen, are saying we've never done it that way and besides it would reduce the obscene profits of MDBs BlackRock, JP Morgan Chase, etc.

China's principled position on debt relief promises to undo the US/EU rentier relationship with developing countries.
It’s not a hidden hand, Paul Singer, George Soros all used vast amounts of private capital buy up sovereign debt and trigger financial crises.

Absolutely disgusting that someone who preaches about “open societies” has no problem with hurting people to line his own pockets.
 

horse

Colonel
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Nearly all officials of Vietnam send their children to US and they come back to inherit the rule. 20 years from now on, you will see a completely different Vietnamese government with Western education and being more liberal than ever with extremely high nationalism. I can see the hostility toward China will actually increase. Their history textbooks already begin to remove the aid of China during the Vietnam wars and even begin to have a more favorable view of the South Vietnam regime.

They have been saying that for over 100 years now.

Zhou Enlai, Deng Xiaoping, cannot remember everybody, but where did they receive their education?

Someone said Xi Jinping could speak some English. Of course he probably can say some things in English. As a young cadre, he was sent to American to learn farming techniques from an Iowa farm, I think it was Iowa. Xi was sent to America, to learn from the Americans.

If we use logic here, then comrade Xi is a subversive!?

Uh, that is a wrong answer.

:p
 

MixedReality

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Philippines thinks they got away with fucking around with China in the SCS, they can also get away with fucking around with China in Taiwan. China already gave the carrot to Marcos during his trip, the stick is sure to come soon.

Marcos is a dirty little snake. Came to China on a state visit and then turned around and gave the American empire access to military bases. Can’t trust these American vassals.
 

pmc

Colonel
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They have been saying that for over 100 years now.

Zhou Enlai, Deng Xiaoping, cannot remember everybody, but where did they receive their education?

Someone said Xi Jinping could speak some English. Of course he probably can say some things in English. As a young cadre, he was sent to American to learn farming techniques from an Iowa farm, I think it was Iowa. Xi was sent to America, to learn from the Americans.

If we use logic here, then comrade Xi is a subversive!?

Uh, that is a wrong answer.

:p
Master and Phd are less influenced than some going much earlier.
now US is making much easier to apply. As Asia get wealthy it is highly likely they will spend more on US education. US tenure track Professor still very prestigious to get it. Vietnamese already giving donations to Western Schools. Vietnam is not Poland it will make money.
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horse

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Master and Phd are less influenced than some going much earlier.
now US is making much easier to apply. As Asia get wealthy it is highly likely they will spend more on US education. US tenure track Professor still very prestigious to get it. Vietnamese already giving donations to Western Schools. Vietnam is not Poland it will make money.

There is not enough students in Canada and America, so universities advertise aggressively to bring in Asian students.


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pmc

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here is not enough students in Canada and America, so universities advertise aggressively to bring in Asian students.
yes they will advertise and some of these students will become future professors in North American Universities. so the size of faculty will be there. the point is it is still destination of choice just like other Western Countries. Not even Japan can compete with it despite it being short flight distance. size of international student body shows the attractiveness of the country and economic strength as some will get scholarships and they will need place to stay close to the place of education. those things will need to be maintained as some places can have extreme temperatures.

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