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Bellum_Romanum

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Absolute disaster of a meet up. I know there is no plan of selling weapons, but it signals threatening China on Taiwan and ughur issue get you concessions. Even if there are compromise under the table it encourage others to play same card. Unless she gave up something big underneath this is a joke.
Why is it a joke? What's the upside for China to essentially go apeshit and acting bellicose with rightful indignation if the howlings will not be backed up by credible follow through militarily unless we expect the mainland to commit strong actions now if it feels it's back is against the literal wall?

Am I annoyed and disappointed that the leadership still went ahead with the meeting despite the provocative statements coming from 360⁰ of course!! But foreign policy must not be based on emotional feel good pronouncements like Jai India does along with Jai Lindsey Crying Graham.

Are you all this excited for an armed conflict over some dumb words that has no SIGNIFICANCE OR WOULD BRING ANY MATERIAL DIFFERENCE to the war over Taiwan? The f..k is wrong with some of us here? It's one thing to feel so butthurt over every stupid comments from the west but that's to be expected since that's all they could do and despite that their economy and market depends that much on China. Unless the PRC/CPC sees no other way but to become brutalist with their foreign policy I don't see why this latest political brouhaha should be interpreted more than that, political brownie points for Germany. As @Overbom correctly pointed out, watch not what they say, but what they do. ACTIONS SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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That's wishful thinking. Qin Gang messed up here. Westerners need to be educated that if you bring business and polite words like Macron, you'll get a reward like a promise not to send weapons to Russia. And if you bring insults and no business, just give them a book on "core socialist values" and tell them that's better than their much celebrated European values.

These people don't understand being polite, they see it as weakness. China needs to be more blunt when talking to people who obviously have an anti China agenda
If you're a wannabe supapowah like India sure you can throw a temper tantrum and overstate your importance because you're (India) too gullible to be told you're the next best thing since slice bread, a mother of democracy lol..
 

luminary

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LMAO too many hikikomori shut-ins
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NBC. Why, it’s almost as if that was the object of the exercise!

It is possible that TikTok is already much closer to Washington than it is to Beijing.
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A MintPress News investigation has found dozens of ex-U.S. State Department officials working in key positions at TikTok. Many more individuals with backgrounds in the FBI, CIA and other departments of the national security state also hold influential posts at the social media giant.
For quite some time, TikTok has been recruiting former State Department officials to run its operations. The company’s head of data public policy for Europe, for example, is Jade Nester. Before being recruited for that influential role, Nester was a
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in Washington, serving for four years as the State Department’s director of Internet public policy.

Mariola Janik, meanwhile, left a long and fruitful career in the government to
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for TikTok. Starting out at the Bureau of Western Hemisphere Affairs, Janik became a career diplomat in the State Department before moving to the Department of Homeland Security. In September, however, she left the government to immediately take up the position of TikTok’s trust and safety program manager, a job that will inevitably include removing content and reshaping algorithms.

While there is no suggestion that Janik is anything other than a model employee, the fact that a U.S. government agent walked into such an influential position at the social media giant should be cause for concern. If, for instance, a high Chinese official was hired to influence what the U.S. public saw in their social media feeds, it would likely be the centerpiece of the TikTok furor currently gripping Washington.
Janik is not the only former security official working on TikTok’s trust and safety team, however. Between 2008 and 2021, Christian Cardona
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a distinguished career at the State Department, serving in Poland, Turkey and Oman, and was in the thick of U.S. interventionism in the Middle East. Between 2012 and 2013, he was an assistant to the U.S. ambassador in Kabul. He later left that role to become the political and military affairs manager for Iran.

In the summer of 2021, he went straight from his top State Department job to become product policy manager for trust and safety at TikTok, a position that, on paper, he appears completely unqualified for. Earlier this year, Cardona left the company.

Another influential individual at TikTok is recruiting coordinator Katrina Villacisneros. Yet before she was choosing whom the company hires, Villacisneros
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at the State Department’s Office of Human Rights and Humanitarian Affairs. And until 2021, she was part of Army Cyber Command, the U.S. military unit that oversees cyberattacks and information warfare online.

Other TikTok employees with long histories in the U.S. national security state include: Brad Earman, global lead of criminal and civil investigations, who spent 21 years as a special agent in the Air Force Office of Special Investigation and also worked as a program manager for antiterrorism at the State Department; and Ryan Walsh, escalations management lead for trust and safety at TikTok, who, until 2020, was the government’s senior advisor for digital strategy. A central part of Walsh’s State Department job, his own
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notes, was “advanc[ing] supportive narratives” for the U.S. and NATO online.
Rebecca Pober, for instance,
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straight from her post in strategy and policy at the Pentagon to become a U.S. policy manager at TikTok.

A number of influential TikTok employees are former longtime CIA agents. Alex S., the company’s former trust and safety/global content integrity policy lead, was
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a leadership analyst at agency headquarters in Langley, VA, for almost nine years. Before the CIA, she worked for the State Department and U.S. Pacific Command.

Casey Getz, meanwhile,
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nearly 11 years at the CIA, rising to become branch chief, before later being hired by TikTok to work on data security and security integration. He was also previously a director for cybersecurity at the National Security Council at the White House.

And according to the
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of TikTok trust and safety manager Beau Patteson, not only was he a CIA targeting analyst until 2020, he is also a currently serving military intelligence officer in the U.S. Army while moonlighting at the social media behemoth.

Indeed, virtually every branch of the national security state is present at TikTok. Before becoming the company’s trust and safety manager, Kathryn Grant
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more than three years working at the White House before moving to the National Security Council and then the Department of Energy. Her TikTok trust and safety colleague Victoria McCullough has a similarly state-heavy background,
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two years at the Department of Homeland Security before joining Grant at the White House, where she was an associate director in the Office of Public Engagement. And TikTok crisis manager Jim Ammons
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for more than 21 years as a unit chief in the FBI.

Meanwhile, a 2022 MintPress study
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what it called a “NATO-to-TikTok-pipeline” whereby dozens of officials from the military alliance had also been given jobs in key fields within the company. Perhaps the most startling of these hires were Greg Andersen, whose own LinkedIn profile noted that he worked on “psychological operations” for NATO immediately before moving to work in social media.
The influx of State Department officials into TikTok’s upper ranks is a consequence of “Project Texas,” an initiative the company began in 2020 in the hopes of avoiding being banned altogether in the United States.
 
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BoraTas

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@BoraTas, if my memory serves me correctly you had mentioned that you were Turkish. What do you think about the upcoming elections in Turkey?

As far as I know, Erdogan's opposition is backed by the US and the West. I watched a Bulgarian news broadcast today - Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu was visiting Bulgaria, as was opposition leader Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu. Of course, they visited various Bulgarian cities, and the report said that the battle between Erdogan and Kılıçdaroğlu would be very contentious.
I don't think there would be a significant change in Turkish foreign policy. We would likely be a bit "tougher" against Russia but that's about it. I want Erdogan go. His religious regressivism and plunder of national resources for himself are good enough reasons.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Its an L if viewed from the public perspective, but it could easily be a W if something behind the scenes was agreed.
I have to say though, knowing that Baerbock is a Blinken acolyte, I don't see high chances that something behind the scenes was agreed.

In any case, given that we don't have access to that kind of info, and we can only draw conclusions from what is publicly said, we can say that this is an L but with a disclaimer that this based on the public perspective
Diplomacy according to the vociferous critics here is to be like India and U.S. in rhetorical unhinged like statements that's been find toothless and pathetic (India).
 

baykalov

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US intelligence operation is on the same level as their MSM, actually they are the same package. The formula is "according to anonymous source, something has happened". They are basically throwing dump on the wall and hopping something to stick. It is their way to create a card that they don't have for bargaining and pressuring. It is desperate like a baby caught lying all the time and kept digging the hole.
My speculation: the US goal with these "leaks" is to discredit Russia. The US wants to show neutral and Russia-friendly countries that Russia can absolutely not be trusted because Russian intelligence is compromised with moles. In this way, the US hopes to isolate Russia in Africa (leak Egypt, denied), the Middle East (leak the UAE, denied), Asia (leak China, denied), Europe (leak Serbia, denied). Only South America is spared, but I would not be surprised if tomorrow the New York Times informs us of another "leak", for example about Mexico. The goal, I repeat, is to discredit and isolate Russia.
 
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