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Stierlitz

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WASHINGTON - The Biden administration is under pressure to ban popular Chinese-owned social media app TikTok, but any such move likely hinges on passage of a new law that bolsters the government's authority to regulate speech, experts said.

Pressure is mounting from lawmakers and national security hawks to ban TikTok, which is owned by China's ByteDance, over fears the app could censure content, influence users, and pass Americans' personal data to Beijing, allegations the company denies.

Courts blocked a prior bid by the Trump administration to ban the app in part on the grounds that such a move violated free speech protections.​
That means any move to block the app likely depends on passage of legislation like the RESTRICT ACT, a bipartisan bill introduced by Senators this month granting the Commerce Department new power to ban foreign technology that poses a national security risk. That would circumvent the speech protections embedded in existing law, lawyers and China watchers said. "RESTRICT is really helpful because it gives this completely new, from scratch, legal authority that doesn’t have any of those complications" under other laws, said Emily Kilcrease, a senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security and former deputy assistant U.S. Trade Representative. "It’s a much stronger, cleaner legal authority."

Courts struck down former President Donald Trump's bid to block TikTok in 2020 with an executive order that granted the Commerce Department similar authorities as the RESTRICT act. In that instance, the executive order relied on by Trump had a major hurdle: it derived its power from the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which carves out the import or export of "informational materials," and "personal communication" through the Berman amendment, which sought to protect speech.
Meanwhile, a move by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, a powerful body that scrutinizes foreign investments for national security risks, to force Bytedance to divest its U.S. TikTok business remains mired in negotiations two and a half years later.

White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan endorsed the RESTRICT Act on March 7 saying it "would strengthen our ability to address discrete risks posed by individual transactions, and systemic risks posed by certain classes of transactions involving countries of concern in sensitive technology sectors."

But the bill will likely provide no immediate solutions for those calling for a ban on the app. While the legislation enjoys bipartisan support, no companion bill has yet been introduced in the House. It's also not yet clear when Congress might take it up -- and some think it might be attached to a year-end defence measure. Some experts said using the new legal tools to ban TikTok could still invite First Amendment challenges. "Realistically, I don't see this tool coming into play until 2024," said CFIUS lawyer Nicholas Klein with DLA Piper. "And there will most likely be a legal challenge if it’s used to ban TikTok."
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9dashline

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I think the collapse of the Soviet Union is the worst thing that could have happened to America. Americans drank the koolaid that they are truly exceptional and can do no wrong no matter what.
Cant believe the "end of history" was only 30 years ago lmao...

It wasnt that long ago when many thought it would take China another 300 years to catch up to Western civilization or a full decade or two to match state of the art chip fab etc...

American culture of religious fanacialism, of police brutality, and of domestic gun violence and senseless mass shootings is reflected in its actions abroad too, toppling regimes, one military invasion after another in the name of democrazy and pre-emptive "self defense" strikes on other nations on the opposite side of the planet...

But look at China, no guns, no need for gun control, and no need for everyone to buy a gun or a AR to arm and defend themselves against gun violence... Much more optimal way of living...this is also reflected geopoliticially in China's much more peaceful and even keeled nature in international affairs...

Americans stack up credit cards at the household level and at the international level its no different, were it not for the dollar hegemony whereby the rest of the world is artificially propping up the USA, America would have finanicially collapsed a long time ago... economically now the US is dragging the rest of the world down with it.... as the USS Titanic sinks to the bottom of the Pacific... Yet it has always been Chinese culture to spend less than one makes, and to be thrift and save rather than boastful and wanton in waste

A hegemon that can only survive by leeching the world has no chance of helping the world overcome the EROEI Energy Trap and like a collapsing black hole will only serve to destroy everything it touches as it drags all of humanity down with it as it desperately clings to power as a failed state and failed grand experiment

I say this not because Im Chinese, but even if I was an objective observer like an advanced alien from outter space, if mankind and humanity is to have a long term future at all, any hope of crossing the Great Filter, then for the sake of our entire species China must win and must take the lead forward.
 
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taxiya

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Marxism is a theory and borderline vision. Hence it is very subjective to different interpretations. Maoism, Leninism, Stalinism, Trotskyism are all claimed to be Marxism but they hugely contradict each other. Tell me what "ism" you support then we can talk about Marxism. Only a principle is agreed upon: The means of production belongs to the proletariat. That alone already made Russia or USSR or China not Marxist in its truest sense.
If you call Marxism "very subjective to interpretation", then you are not really talking about or believing in Marxism.

If you talk about "truest sense", you are talking about communism, not Marxism. Marxism idea is much broader than just social political structure of the world. But most importantly and fundamentally analyse the interaction of economical activity and society. Karl Marx only envisioned how ultimately a communist society would look like, but he never defined how to reach that stage. Therefor, any experiment to reach that stage by going any different path while using Marx's thought is Marxism. In short Marxism is a system of scientific study of society, communism is one of the many outcome of the study. Talking about "truest sense" is fundamentalism.

USSR and China are certainly not communism, they never said they are, they rejected that "truest form" as being disconnected from reality. They called themselves of socialism which by the definition of MOST communist parties in the world is part of and the early stage of communism. ONLY very few fanatics rejected this definition, namely North Korea, China in Cultural revolution era, Albania in the past, Romania in the past.

How much of proletariat ownership would you define as Marxism? 100% is certainly communism but in the future, anywhere 50% to 100% is socialism. By this definition USSR and China are socialism, and if one agrees that socialism is part of Marxism, then they are Marxist states.

I know that your posts started by rejecting "Russia being Marxist" which I agree, but should not go to the other extreme end.
 
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daifo

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Agree with 99%.

One more issue, and this plays a role in accountability, is the religious dogma that so-called "western liberalism" has evolved into. Somehow, the ability to hold elections will somehow magically get you the best person for the job. You know, like this guy:

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...and if they weren't the top guy, then you only have to suffer for 4 years. Not suffer and then possibly elect someone even worse.

I watch part of it and most of the questions were fairly "retarded" attempts at "gottcha".
> 2 minutes asking about which enterprise messge app TT uses internally to setup to ask this most profound question "Who do you report to under the profile tab of your messenger app?"
>>> "The ceo of bytedance"
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horse

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According to BoraTas there is a rumor that he would be couped by the military if he didn’t comply.

This is my favourite story about a military coup in the Philippines.

So this general called a meeting in the morning.

Everyone shows up to the meeting. They are all sitting at the big boardroom table.

As the meeting started and was going on, suddenly a loud bang!

Armed troops entered into the meeting room. They were serious. They had their guns drawn. And they stormed into the room.

This, the people in the meeting room, realized it was a coup.

They were really surprised, shocked almost.

The general, now furious as he realized what was going on, stood up and shouted at them,

"You fools, you are suppose to be here at 3:00 o'clock and not 11:00 o'clock!"
 

horse

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Watching this embarrassment of a TikTok congressional hearing has made me want to put into words something I’ve been thinking about for a long time. Specifically, it makes me want to articulate why I think American society is quite literally about to collapse. And no, it’s not 9dashline’s EROEI take.

Part 1: Laziness and Priorities

I think it’s clear to anyone who’s observed American society in any shape or form that the number one motivator for Americans is wealth. As in, Americans want to make the most amount of money possible with the least amount of effort. Now, this isn’t really an American-specific thing, as I’m sure that we can all agree that every person of every culture wants this as well, but what makes this killer to America is how conducive society is to this mindset.

Let’s take the whole semiconductor farce as an example. Grandpa Joe wants to bring semiconductors back to America by giving companies like Intel money. What’s the most important part of Intel? The research division, no doubt. Then, you would think that these people, whom Grandpa Joe terms as “vital to national security” would be paid the big bucks, right? Well, let’s quickly take a look at the salaries! 100k-300k, not bad…. Until you literally realize that working a coding desk-monkey job at Amazon or Google without any sort of college education and only a little bit of skills would net you just as much or more. Or if you’re a bit smarter you go work for a prop trading firm and make almost double the max salary of a semiconductor researcher as a starting salary.

Did I mention to do semiconductor research you need a PhD? In other words an entire 4-8 extra years of schooling to end up getting paid the same amount or even less? All while working more hours? Did I mention some people at Google literally get paid 500k a year to work 20 hours a month? Lol. Lmao even.

The craziest thing to me is that this is all just in the open. Something like 50-75% of PhD students in the US are foreigners. Why? Because these people are much easier to exploit. Americans can just screw off and go get that desk monkey job while that option isn’t as open to an average student visa holder.

The most important thing is none of these companies that pay this much salary truly contribute that much value to the advancement of society. Why does China crack down so much on tech companies like Tencent? It’s because top leaders correctly don’t see these companies as innovators. Tech companies like Amazon and Google just look for the best way to extract money out of consumers, what do they actually contribute to society? Prop trading firms are even more ridiculous, their goal is just to scam each other as hard and fast as possible in a cooperative masturbatory game they call "market making." The truly impressive of American society usually end up at these places, contributing little to no actual value to society.

To be honest, this isn’t even the most egregious example. As in, semiconductor researchers are unpaid compared to tech and quant workers, but they’re still paid handsomely and aren’t exactly pitiful. However, these sort of prioritizations show the institutional rot in American society.

An illustrative example of this is the teaching profession. Compared to the education required, American teachers are paid extremely poorly. American culture, furthermore, encourages children to disrespect and look down on teachers and other people of authority (I’ll expand on this aspect of American “dissidence” later). In short, these conditions end up forcing out teachers that are actually good and end up only producing uncaring and poor teachers. This perpetual race to the bottom ends up degrading every aspect of American society. Poor conditions create poor teachers which create uneducated masses which leads to a degradation of American society.

In essence, my advice to anyone living in America is to game the system, make your money, and GTFO.


Part 2: Accountability

Pretty much everything I talked about in part 1 can actually be fixed rather simply. It literally just requires the government to put down money with specific goals in mind.

The true problem is that Americans have no accountability.

One of the most hypocritical things I’ve seen out of this Ukraine war has been the two-faced way Americans look at accountability.

Americans keep screaming about making ordinary Russians suffer with sanctions so they maybe overthrow their government. Or screaming about banning Russian athletes from events for their government’s actions. Yet, whenever the American government’s crimes come up, it’s always “oh, it’s Trump’s fault” or “oh, the CIA is so evil!” But isn’t America the “democratic” society? As in, shouldn’t they hold themselves even more accountable as compared to the people of the “dictatorship” that is Russia?

But nope! Americans shirk from it. They don’t genuinely believe anything their government does is actually their fault. And as an extension, they don’t believe in any personal accountability. They complain about how their companies “privatize the profits and socialize the losses,” but don’t they do pretty much the exact same thing? They take all the benefits of being American but don’t take the losses. In other words, America is a society of HYPOCRITES.

The so-called “liberals” in the United States love to talk about homeless people and how they should be helped. But, when you want to build any sort of housing anywhere near them, these so-called “liberals” will deny it because “not in my backyard!” (NIMBY). This is literally why San Francisco is the utter shithole that it is. Because of complete hypocrisy by even the most “left-leaning” people in the United States. I don’t even want to talk about the “right-wingers.”

Americans love to act tough and pretend like they have an impact. “Oh, we would totally overthrow our government if they became tyrannical and stuff.”

But, they don’t. There’s this sort of indescribable fear in American society. They’re too scared to do shit. Every single American has been brainwashed into thinking that they have to be peaceful, and they’ll totally have an impact! How much impact did stuff like BLM protests/riots actually have on American society? Literally none. On a tangent, there’s an enormous amount of hypocrisy about how these “protests” are viewed. A group of protestors literally escorted into the Capitol by the police getting a bit rowdy is somehow an “insurrection” and a “devastating attack on the country.” Lol!

It’s totally systematic, too. There’s a reason why doves like Martin Luther King and Gandhi and Nelson Mandela are glorified while the numerous radicals that did a large part of the work are totally ignored. Oh and on a side note, how much did the protestors actually achieve in getting civil rights for black people in the United States versus how much was it just the government wanting to draft more people to go to Vietnam? Remember the Americans freed the black slaves so they could get more soldiers during the civil war, too.

This fear of accountability is why the elites, including those in the American Congress, can literally pillage the country and nobody cares. And also why the lack of priorities I mentioned above will never be fixed.

Perhaps the fear of accountability is because Americans are too afraid to admit that they themselves just suck as people. I don’t know anyway, but there’s no fixing it.

Modern day America reminds me of the last days of empires like the Romans, the Qing, the Song, and so on. In other words, I think they’re fucked!

Sorry, for the rant, maybe I’ll go over this again sometime and revise it into a more coherent argument.

1. I got no idea what you are talking about.

2. Okay, I do think I have a clear idea about what you are talking about.

To illustrate, let's talk about something else, and that is Confucianism.

Confucianism is the glue that holds Chinese society and civilization together. Whether we like that or not, I think everyone would agree to that to some extent or another.

Now, time for me to unapologetically to put words in your mouth, or ideas in your head.

You are asking philosophically what is the glue that holds American society together?

As Chinese, we can understand on some level on what keeps everything together, in society and throughout Chinese history. But when we look at America today, a Chinese simply thinks, "What is this shit?"

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What keeps America together, or the glue that holds society together in the USA, I would believe it is the Bill of Rights, and freedom to pursue your interests.

Where it gets interesting is where separate interests collide with each other. There is where the law steps in and where politics heats up in America.

Using an extreme simplification, that is America today, a system of laws and competing interests.

To me, that is really interesting, because that is from an analytical framework, that is just classical Marxism, of the material dialectic, where we have the thesis, anti-thesis, and resolution.

For example, 1% wants and 99% wants, who is winning that argument there?

Who wins the argument gets the spoils in America.

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xypher

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This sham of a hearing backfired on the US - I see tons of people supporting TikTok and saying how embarrassing the US congressmen were, lol. They tried to look tough but only exposed their stupidity and just how out of touch they are with the modern times. On TikTok itself tons of people correctly identify Meta as the primary lobbyist and are telling that they are deleting their FB\Instagram accounts if TT is banned.

I was sceptical at first but the CEO going to this hearing was actually a power move - he exposed the US as a huge joke.
 
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