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AssassinsMace

AssassinsMace

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Love how the West is now trying to point out to Russia how they have short end of the stick in the Sino-Russian alliance. Well isn't that the West's fault in trying to cancel Russia? Hence why it's so easy for the West wanting to punish China for Russia's war with Ukraine from the start. And of course the West thinks it did nothing wrong... Russia is the invader yet the West is trying to paint Russia as the victim of China. They don't want to admit their campaign against both Russia and China is what drove them together.

Why do they seem to hold sympathy for Russia? It's because the Republicans saw Russia as their white supremacist partners in crime in controlling the world. I saw Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, Tom Metzger, years ago say he didn't want a Cold War with the Soviet Union because good white people live there. That's the Republican Party's attitude today. They loved how Russia treated Obama with overt racism during his Presidency. They need Russians to do the dirty work to maintain a white supremacist world order. Now that's all dashed because Russia and China see the US as their primary adversary. Now ironically Russia is offering Africa free grain if it comes to that point.

What does the Western alliance including the likes of Japan and South Korea have in common? They don't have self-sustaining economies. They need other markets to sell their products to in order to maintain their first world lifestyles. They need natural resources they don't have in their territories that exist primarily in the non-Western world. Russia is now a part of the world that have the resources the West needs. China exist as an alternate buyer for those resources that pays more than the West is willing to. The Western alliance is an alliance of have-nots. It's not surprising that the historic invaders of the world are allied and panicked together because they don't have the resources within their own territories to maintain their economic and technological lives.
 
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AssassinsMace said:

Love how the West is now trying to point out to Russia how they have short end of the stick in the Sino-Russian alliance. Well isn't that the West's fault in trying to cancel Russia? Hence why it's so easy for the West wanting to punish China for Russia's war with Ukraine from the start. And of course the West thinks it did nothing wrong... Russia is the invader yet the West is trying to paint Russia as the victim of China. They don't want to admit their campaign against both Russia and China is what drove them together.

Why do they seem to hold sympathy for Russia? It's because the Republicans saw Russia as their white supremacist partners in crime in controlling the world. I saw Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, Tom Metzger, years ago say he didn't want a Cold War with the Soviet Union because good white people live there. That's the Republican Party's attitude today. They loved how Russia treated Obama with overt racism during his Presidency. They need Russians to do the dirty work to maintain a white supremacist world order. Now that's all dashed because Russia and China see the US as their primary adversary. Now ironically Russia is offering Africa free grain if it comes to that point.

What does the Western alliance including the likes of Japan and South Korea have in common? They don't have self-sustaining economies. They need other markets to sell their products to in order to maintain their first world lifestyles. They need natural resources they don't have in their territories that exist primarily in the non-Western world. Russia is now a part of the world that have the resources the West needs. China exist as an alternate buyer for those resources that pays more than the West is willing to. The Western alliance is an alliance of have-nots. It's not surprising that the historic invaders of the world are allied and panicked together because they don't have the resources within their own territories to maintain their economic and technological lives.
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Anglos have this perception that since the Russians are white, that they’ll share the same prejudices and racism and white insecurity as a ruling white Anglo.
Hence the fixation on Russia being a “junior partner” to the Golden Horde
 
horse

horse

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baykalov said:
Look who is desperate for a meeting:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1637918914196668416
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It is just ultra cheap, anti-Russian disinformation.

That should not be posted in the forum.

The Americans are telling (lying to) the Russians, that China will soon have a meeting with them, just like how Nixon and Mao shook hands in Beijing.

The Russians are a little different. They love to read into things, believe in conspiracy. Believe powerful people behind the scenes moving events.

The Russians, as a people, far more open to suggestion, than the Chinese ever will be.

That is why all the non-stop bs from the Americans about how they will hook up with the Chinese soon to discuss world affairs, to impress upon the Russians.
 
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AssassinsMace said:
It's not surprising that the historic invaders of the world are allied and panicked together because they don't have the resources within their own territories to maintain their economic and technological lives.
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While I agree with most of the rest of what you said, the West still has Canada and Australia as places to mine, and the US to mention another. The surface of those places isn't insignificant. And it is way easier to mine in Australia than in most places in Russia.
 
baykalov

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Chevalier said:
Man, the Americans really do not want to see China and Russia working together
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French DGSE sent out their hounds from CPC (insurgents in CAR) to kill 9 Chinese gold mine workers in CAR. CPC were quick to try and pin it on Wagner.

This Guardian article doesn't even mention Wagner because it's an obvious lie their involvement in the crime.
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South Korean defense industries have the the fatal flaw of poor ISR, not battle proven, and bad engines.
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in 2022. That means they have not caught up to what
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. Their aerospace industry so far has only made trainers in service. They don't have domestic radar or
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Agreed. South Korea don't have many systems that China have already developed in the 70s. They don't have a competitive domestic aircraft engine program. Their space program is pitiful compared to China. Their drone program is also pitiful compared to China. Nevertheless, whatever gaps they have right now, they are importing it from Western suppliers. While dependency on the West is not a great thing in a real war, it still does mean that South Korea can get its hands on some good stuff in peacetime.

South Korea has a successful ground vehicle program. Say what we want about it, but it is very competitive vs the best Western manufacturers. The South Korean naval program however is where they are quite formidable. While extremely dependent on Western key component supplies, the South Koreans are one of the best shipbuilders in the world. They can build some formidable naval vessels like their large Aegis destroyers, LHDs, and some very modern SSKs. Their latest SSKs are reportedly capable of launching their Hyunmoo-4 SLBMs.

I'm not worshiping the South Koreans for the achievements, but we have to at least acknowledge what challenges they are able to bring to China and work out some counters against it. North Korea is the declared target of the ROKN. But is it really? The North Korean Navy is vastly overmatched by the ROKN. What if South Korea suddenly decide to pivot their navy against China? While small compared to the PLAN, the ROKN can pose a serious headache in the ECS, and are situated at the entrance to the Bohai Sea. The ROKN also have long range land-attack weapons like the Hyunmoo-3 LACM, and Hyunmoo-4 SLBM to further add to the anti-missile defense burden of China. Can the PLAN destroy the ROKN? Absolutely. But it would still consume some significant resources to do so. And it would be unwise to underestimate ROKN.

So, my point is that, we should consider the South Koreans as a potential adversary like Japan already is, in a potential US-led war on China. South Korea is not India, we should expect them to be a competent force backed by a competent industry. Keep them in mind and don't underestimate them. Or I could be entirely wrong, and maybe South Korea might actually stay out of a war with China. But there is that rampant Sinophobia in South Korea, and the Yoon government, increasingly aligning his country with the US and Japan.
 
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