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Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Dmytro Kuleba, in an interview with the BBC, threatened with "responsibility" the countries that did not take the side of the Ukrainians in the conflict with the Russian Federation and did not send weapons and money.

Their egos and the sense of self-importance know no bounds.

What the fuck are they thinking? They ain't a super power. If the US drops them like an Afghanistan hot potato, it's done.

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Countries that "mistreated Ukraine" will be held to account after the war ends, Ukraine's Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba has warned.

In a BBC interview he said the choice every nation made following Russia's full-scale invasion will be "taken into account in building future relations".

In a wide-ranging interview, Mr Kuleba also discussed how he believes the war will end, the role of China in the war, and his disappointment that Pope Francis has yet to visit his country in war time.

Although Ukraine has received military and economic support from Western powers since Russia's invasion, many countries in Africa, Asia and South America have stayed on the sidelines.

Some are historically sympathetic to Russia, some are concerned about the economic costs of the war, and others believe the West is prolonging the fighting unnecessarily.

But Mr Kuleba made clear that countries which failed to support Ukraine now - those, he said, which had "misbehaved in the course of this war and mistreated Ukraine", would pay a price in the future.

Ukraine may well be dependent on Western aid and military support in the medium to long term and so its diplomatic disapproval may not worry some countries. But in peacetime Ukraine's huge grain exports give it substantial economic leverage, particularly in parts of the developing world.

"If anyone in the world thinks that the way this or that country behaved - or treated Ukraine at the darkest moment of its history - will not be taken into account in building future relations, these people just don't know how diplomacy works," he said.

"War is a time when you have to make a choice. And every choice has been recorded."

And that involves building the strongest possible coalition of support, an alliance that he feels does not include the Pope. Mr Kuleba said it was not for him but for God to judge the Holy Father but, he said: "We deeply regret that the Pope has not found an opportunity to visit Ukraine since the beginning of the war."

China, too, has thus far resisted Ukraine's lobbying for a meeting between China's President Xi Jinping and Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky, even though Beijing confirmed on Friday that China's leader is to visit Moscow next week.

Mr Kuleba said his president was ready for a telephone conversation with Mr Xi and added: "I don't think China has reached the moment now… when it's ready to arm Russia."

And, he says, Ukraine has one crucial factor on its side: "Historically, Ukraine was unfairly under-appreciated, and I regret it took a bloodshed and a devastating war for the world to realise how cool we are.

"And we will always be cool. But it just took you too much time to realise that."


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Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Dmytro Kuleba, in an interview with the BBC, threatened with "responsibility" the countries that did not take the side of the Ukrainians in the conflict with the Russian Federation and did not send weapons and money.

Their egos and the sense of self-importance know no bounds.

What the fuck are they thinking? They ain't a super power. If the US drops them like an Afghanistan hot potato, it's done.

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What is an Ukraine isn't that the weapons test ground of Russia and western wunderwaffes?
Sometimes a dog needs to be kicked Ukraine is sounding like a dog that needs a couple of more kicks so it can be served some humble pie.

Talking about collapsing banks will Deutsche Bank be next? For years i have been hearing about it being a house of cards?
Making deutsche bank fall will be the Americans one last final blow to the german economy and forever make them their bitches.
 

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Love to see China finally paying the Anglos back in the only coin they know: enlisting a 3rd party to intimidate and make war on your enemy, whilst you wash your hands clean and profit from the instigation.

Argentina might feel a little more confident in taking back the Malvinas with some choice Chinese gear backing them up. And the Anglos lose yet another core piece of territory. First the Malvinas, then Diego Garcia.
 

henrik

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First of all, I appreciate all the information in regards to how Android is used in China. I did have a knowledge gap on how Chinese mobile companies used AOSP. And indeed, from the sound of it, losing access to AOSP in a technological sense, is not really a threat.

But I still need to insist on a detail - open source is not equivalent to "no license." Open source software is governed by an open source license (typically some variation of Apache or GPL) granted to users. Like any other license, it can be revoked. If you lose access to the license, then you become subject to copy right infringement claims upon cloning the code. While it means little in countries where the US has no jurisdiction, it means a lot in countries where the US does.

Would companies like Xiaomi, Oppo, etc. risk getting shut out of the US, Europe, etc. in violation of a platform ban on Byte Dance software? Judging by past actions, if the US sanctions Byte Dance, *any* company that does business with it (and which uses any US technology, including chips and other licensed software) can be subject to similar sanctions for violating US export control.

This includes companies that only host the application in China.

This is why having ANY dependency on US software - including open source software - is risky. Of course, you could make the argument that if the US wanted to target a company, it can come up with any reason - or no reason at all - to ban it across all friendly countries. Indeed, the US could create new laws just for that purpose, like with the RESTRICT act. But as the laws stand today, it is the use of US technology that puts you at risk of export control sanctions internationally.

That is exactly why China is sanctioning the US with Huawei 5G and 6G patents. Any US company will not be able to use China's 5G and 6G patents.
 

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Love to see China finally paying the Anglos back in the only coin they know: enlisting a 3rd party to intimidate and make war on your enemy, whilst you wash your hands clean and profit from the instigation.

Argentina might feel a little more confident in taking back the Malvinas with some choice Chinese gear backing them up. And the Anglos lose yet another core piece of territory. First the Malvinas, then Diego Garcia.
Hope China send a bucket load of AShM this time, Argentina has no problem to sending the Anglo fleet to the bottom of the Ocean if they had more Exocet last time.
 
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