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the pilot tried, came close but not enough, I think his original intention was for the plane crash in the valley that's behind the houses, but the plane didn't make it that far.

My roommate was ordering a sandwich in Subway about a mile away when this happens. I missed it cuz of a final.
 

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3 More U.S. Ships To Be Converted for BMD Role

Three more Aegis warships will be upgraded to take on the ballistic missile defense (BMD) role, bringing the number of ships with the capability to 21, Pentagon and industry sources confirmed Jan. 7. ...

With 21 ships soon, the USN is probably already close to ensure a constant deployment of that capability in theatres, at least the Pacific. The number is much lower in the Atlantic, but with the Iran issue, things may well change there soon.
 

Mu Shu Tortilla

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Apparently, the Hornet had a engine failure and was trying to get to Miramar for a emergency landing, but realized he would not make it, so he tried to ditch the airplane away from a residential area. It is too bad...

The plane experienced a single engine failure after launching from the carrier. SOP in such situations is to find the nearest land base and land. As the pilot was making the approach into Miramar the other engine also failed. Dual engine failure is not recoverable. I'm certain that pilot feels like dog squeeze right now. He will carry that one to his grave, even though it appears he did everything by the book.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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Lockheed jan 30 2009 said:
U.S. Navy Retires Last Lockheed Martin S-3B Viking From Fleet Service; Carrier-Based Multi-Mission Aircraft Completes 35-Year Career

NAS JACKSONVILLE, Fla., January 30th, 2009 -- The U.S. Navy retired the last Lockheed Martin [NYSE: LMT] S-3 Viking from fleet service in ceremonies here this morning, closing out the aircraft’s distinguished 35-year Naval career.

Development of the S-3 began in August 1969, and first flight occurred on January 21, 1972. Sea Control Squadron 41 (VS-41), the S-3 training unit known as the Shamrocks and the first operational S-3 unit, received its first aircraft in February 1974. A total of 187 S-3s were built (eight test and 179 operational aircraft) between 1971 and 1978. Over its career, the Viking served with 18 Navy squadrons and accumulated approximately 1.7 million flight hours.

“The S-3 Viking was known as the ‘Swiss Army Knife of Naval Aviation’ and served the U.S. Navy well in a wide variety of roles over the course of its operational service life,” said Ray Burick, Lockheed Martin vice president of P-3/S-3 programs. “The Viking has played a critical role in carrier-based anti-submarine and anti-surface warfare, as well as overland operations, refueling, targeting, and electronic surveillance. And of course Lockheed Martin is proud of the role it will continue to play in support of these critical Navy carrier-based missions, as many of these missions will eventually be carried out by the F-35C Lightning II.”

The first S-3 was built at the then-Lockheed Aircraft Co. plant in Burbank, Calif., and was trucked to the company’s facility in Palmdale, Calif., for first flight. Company pilots John Christiansen and Lyle Schaefer were at the controls, kicking off a 26-month test program. Among its notable firsts, the S-3 was the first antisubmarine warfare (ASW) platform to have a computerized acoustic system.

Sea Control Squadron 29 (VS-29), known as the Dragonfires, made the first S-3 deployment aboard the USS John F. Kennedy (CVN-67) in July 1975. The S-3 fleet surpassed 100,000 flight hours less than two years after that first deployment.

Several variants of the S-3 carried out a range of missions for the U.S. Navy. Seven aircraft were modified to US-3A Carrier Onboard Delivery aircraft, capable of carrying 4,250 lbs. of cargo. The ES-3A Shadow was designed for fleet electronic surveillance, replacing the EA-3B. Sixteen aircraft were modified to ES-3A configuration, and the first mission capable Shadow flew in May 1991. Development of a KS-3A tanker variant began in 1979; although the KS-3A was never produced, it did prove the concept of “buddy tanking” (aerial refueling using a wing-mounted pod), which most S-3s later performed. At the height of combat operations during Operation Iraqi Freedom, S-3 crews transferred nearly eight million pounds of fuel to Coalition aircraft.

The significantly improved S-3B was developed in the early 1980s to better detect quiet Soviet submarines, identify targets and carry standoff weapons. The S-3B flew for the first time in prototype form in September 1984. During Operation Iraqi Freedom, an S-3B from VS-38, the World Famous Red Griffins, carried out the first S-3 attack mission, disabling Saddam Hussein’s ocean-going yacht with a laser-guided Maverick air-to-surface missile. In 2003, an S-3B from VS-35 became the first aircraft ever to have the Navy One call sign when it carried former President George W. Bush to the USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72).

Under the S-3 Integrated Maintenance Program (IMP), Lockheed Martin and Navy personnel worked side-by-side to perform scheduled depot maintenance and repairs on the S-3s to return the Vikings rapidly to the operational fleet. The program began in 2001, primarily as a means of reducing the backlog at Naval Aviation depots. IMP increased S-3 aircraft operational availability by 53 percent and reduced maintenance tasking by 47 percent over the depot-level maintenance plan. IMP also resulted in significantly reduced costs to the Navy. A total of 149 aircraft were processed through the IMP inspections, and nearly all of the aircraft were redelivered to the Navy on or ahead of schedule. The program concluded in 2007, as the Viking fleet was being drawn down.

“The S-3 Viking will long be remembered for its mission capability, its flexibility and its reliability,” said Burick. “The aircraft has served the U.S. Navy admirably for more than three decades. We salute all who have flown and supported the Viking.”

The NASA Glenn Research Center near Cleveland, Ohio, currently has four S-3B Vikings, performing aircraft icing research missions. It is likely that four S-3Bs will remain in Navy service, although in a support role providing range surveillance at the Naval Air Warfare Center Weapons Division at Point Mugu, Calif.

Headquartered in Bethesda, Md., Lockheed Martin is a global security company that employs about 146,000 people worldwide and is principally engaged in the research, design, development, manufacture, integration and sustainment of advanced technology systems, products and services. The corporation reported 2008 sales of $42.7 billion.
this Leaves the Navy's carrier born Air too Air refueling too the Hornets

Marine times said:
Marines to test, evaluate 4 auto-rifle models

By Dan Lamothe - Staff writer
Posted : Tuesday Feb 3, 2009 6:21:57 EST

MARINE CORPS BASE QUANTICO, Va. — Like it or not, it’s coming.

The Corps is moving forward with plans to test replacements for the M249 Squad Automatic Weapon, and will receive initial deliveries this spring, Marine officials said.

The Infantry Automatic Rifle could be fielded as early as October 2010, said Maj. John Smith, the weapon’s project officer at Marine Corps Systems Command in Quantico, Va. Testing is expected to begin in April on four finalists competing for the contract, with Camp Pendleton, Calif.-based 1st Marine Division involved in the process.

“It’ll be fleet Marines that are testing it,” Smith said. “We’ll be collecting data and getting feedback from Marines. All of [the weapons] could meet our needs, but we need to dig a little deeper and get the input on what the average Marine thinks.”

The push to include Marines in the process hasn’t stopped grumbling across the Corps. Many grunts question the wisdom of reducing the number of SAWs, light machine guns with a 5.56mm, 200-round belt that allows Marines to unleash a tremendous volume of fire when threatened. The IAR will employ the same 5.56mm, 30-round magazine used with the Corps’ main service weapons, the M16A4 rifle and M4 carbine.

“My big concern right now is that loss of fire,” said Staff Sgt. Craig Wilcox, an infantry unit leader who deployed to Afghanistan twice and Iraq once, and is now a combat instructor at the Camp Lejeune, N.C.-based School of Infantry-East. “We’re taught from day one that the SAW is the center of the squad itself. When you’re looking at dropping all those rounds, you’re going to lose your ability to maneuver and fire as quickly and efficiently as we have done in the past,” Wilcox said.

It’s a long-running debate in the Corps — even in the community that made the decision, said Patrick Cantwell, a former captain who serves as the Corps’ small arms capability officer.

Should the Corps cut weight to increase mobility? And if so, what should a new weapon offer?
A look at the finalists

The four finalists in the IAR competition, announced in December, stand in stark contrast to the SAW, which is more than 40 inches long and weighs about 16½ pounds empty. The weapon jumps to more than 22 pounds when loaded with the 200-round belt.

The lightest of the replacements under consideration is Heckler & Koch’s IAR, which weighs 7.9 pounds empty, with a 36.9-inch stock that collapses to 33 inches. The heaviest is FN Herstal’s entry, which weighs 11.2 pounds and has a 38.8-inch stock that collapses to 36.3 inches.

The other two finalists in the competition are made by Colt Defense, maker of the M4. Labeled the Colt 6940 and Colt 6940H, they weigh 10.1 pounds and 9.28 pounds, respectively, and vary because they have different heat sinks and upper receivers. Marine officials did not elaborate on the differences, but said the variations merited another look.

“They both performed very well, which is why they made the cut, but we needed to test them more to tell them apart,” Smith said.

Company officials at each of the three manufacturers remaining in the competition were tight-lipped about their products. HK and FNH, which makes the SAW, declined interviews, but provided specifications and photographs of their weapons, while Colt officials declined to be interviewed or release details about their products. The Corps released photographs and a basic description of each Colt weapon.

“Obviously we’re pleased to be included in the competition,” said retired Maj. Gen. James Battaglini, chief operating officer for Colt. “We’d rather let the results speak for themselves.”

The finalists diverge most clearly when it comes to their operating systems. Only FNH’s IAR fires from both the open- and closed-bolt positions, a requirement to keep the heat down when the Corps initially announced the competition. Cantwell said “that restriction went away” as officials surveyed their options.

“In a perfect world, we would like a [weapon firing from the] closed-bolt, because there are advantages to that, but we kind of took what we got and weighed the pros and cons, like the accuracy and the weight and the other elements,” Cantwell said.

Both of Colt’s weapons fire from the closed-bolt position using a direct gas impingement system, Marine officials said. HK’s IAR fires from the closed-bolt position using a gas-operated system.

The IAR finalists vary from the SAW in other ways, as well.

The SAW, first fielded in the 1980s, provides a sustained rate of fire of 85 rounds per minute. The sustained rate of fire available in the FNH and HK models is 12 to 15 rounds per minute, with a maximum effective rate of fire of 36 rounds per minute for 1,200 rounds or 75 rounds per minute for 600 rounds, company officials said.

At a cyclic rate, the SAW can fire more than 750 rounds per minute. FNH’s IAR fires from 560 to 640 rounds per minute at a cyclic rate, while HK’s fires 700 to 900.

Rates of fire for Colt’s models were not released, but the Corps required that the IAR fire 36 rounds per minute for 16 minutes, 40 seconds. The IAR also must fire at a higher rate of 75 rounds per minute for eight minutes, Cantwell said.

Early in the evaluation process, the Corps’ requirement called for the IAR to use 100-round magazines. That was eventually eliminated in favor of using 30-round magazines.
A change in mindset

The idea to replace the SAW dates back to August 2001, Cantwell said, before the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were on the horizon. Tired of lugging around the SAW, grunts with 2nd Battalion, 7th Marines, in Twentynine Palms, Calif., purchased three commercial automatic rifle variants and pitted them against the belt-fed beast.

“What they found was that the SAW had definite advantages, but it also had definite disadvantages, and the two (disadvantages) that they noted were employment speed and accuracy,” Cantwell said. “So they recommended that we go for an automatic rifle for infantry units.”

A month later, the idea was brought to the Marine Corps Ground Board — a panel that includes the four Marine division commanders and the deputy commandant for plans, policies and operations — which reviews recommendations pushed up from the fleet. The board recommended that the Corps pursue the use of a new automatic rifle in September 2001, Cantwell said.

Then came the attacks on 9/11.

The SAW played a prominent role in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. But SysCom continued to move steadily toward fielding a weapon that could replace it. That competition took a major step in December with the naming of the four finalists.

“The idea is that it’s supposed to bridge the gap between the M16 and a machine gun for small units and fire teams,” Cantwell said. “What we found was that the SAW gunner ends up slowing down an assault, or the SAW gunner ends up getting put in a support fire position, neither one of which is really the ideal use for a fire team.”

In the coming years, the Corps plans to reduce the number of SAWs in the Corps from 11,381 weapons to about 8,000, officials said, causing a variety of changes for grunts.

“The leadership within the infantry community will have to adjust training and [tactics, techniques and procedures] for the IAR,” Smith said. “The Marine Corps spent a long time thinking about this, and the infantry community in particular has spent a long time thinking about this and debating this and understanding what capabilities we wanted out of a weapons system.”

The fielding of the IAR also will have implications on the rifle range, where automatic riflemen will be required to qualify with the new weapon, Cantwell said.

“When a Marine goes to a rifle range and he’s an automatic rifleman, he will be taking his IAR to the rifle range,” Cantwell said. “He won’t be turning his IAR in and drawing a service rifle, which is what he has to do now if he’s a SAW gunner.”
Suppressive fire suppressed

Marines will still use SAWs in many situations, especially for airfield security or overwatch from towers, Marine officials said. But on basic patrols, Marines are likely to find themselves with an IAR in their squad, like it or not.

One infantry corporal with Camp Pendleton-based 1st Marine Regiment said that without the SAW, things would have been even more difficult when he deployed to Karma, Iraq, in 2006, considered by many to be the most dangerous city in the country at the time.

“If we wouldn’t have had it, we wouldn’t have had enough firepower to know what to do,” he said. “With the SAW, you’ve got a 200-round drum. I’d much rather have 200 rounds ready to go than to have to reload all the time. Not every shot is going to be on target, you know what I mean? I’d rather have more firepower, especially in an ambush.”

Wilcox and the corporal also said that any weight advantage achieved could be negated because Marines will need to carry more ammo to make up for the loss of the drums.

“How many magazines are you going to make me carry on my flak?” the corporal said.

Smith and Cantwell said they understand those concerns, and believe it comes with Marines finding comfort in what’s familiar.

“From personal experience, I went into the fleet as a second lieutenant not [long] after the transition from the M60 to the M240 Golf,” Smith said. “My machine gunners complained about the M240 Golf because when it broke, they didn’t know how to fix it, whereas they had years and years of experience [of learning] how to use bailing wire or whatever to get the M60 working again.”

Cantwell said it will take training to make Marines familiar and comfortable with what comes next.

“The biggest problem is it’s a mentality issue, and the issue [that] a 30-round magazine will go through too quickly,” Cantwell said. “That’s very true — if you use the same mentality that we use right now with the SAW, which is to pull the trigger at everything.

“There will be some training that goes into this,” he said. “We’re looking for a well-aimed shot, and then occasionally shooting a burst into a troop formation or an area target as opposed to what we do now, where we’re much more (laying) area fire with the SAW.”
The concept is almost identical too the Interim SAW some times called WAK SAW used before the adoption of the M249. Basically a Full auto M16A2 modified too fire from a open bolt ( for ease of cooling ) with a heaver barrel and Bipod although the new versions make uses of Grip pods and Acogs. the FNH is based on the SCAR L
 

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Kissinger hauled out of retirement

MOSCOW: Henry Kissinger, the pioneer of Cold War detente during the Nixon era, has made a return to frontline politics after the US President, Barack Obama, reportedly sent him to Moscow to win support from Vladimir Putin's Government for a nuclear disarmament initiative.

The 85-year-old former US secretary of state met the Russian President, Dmitry Medvedev, for secret negotiations in December. During two days of talks Dr Kissinger courted Russian officials to win support for Mr Obama's initiative, which could involve Russia and the US each cutting their nuclear arsenals to 1000 warheads. Dr Kissinger is believed to have won a verbal undertaking for the deal.

While the details of the initiative have yet to be revealed, the possibility of a return to negotiations after eight years of reluctance in Washington has been welcomed in Britain and elsewhere. Mr Obama chose Dr Kissinger for his consummate diplomatic skills and his popularity in Moscow, an affection earned by his open acknowledgment of Russia's resurgence.

George Schultz, another former US secretary of state, also played a role in the talks.
 

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this Leaves the Navy's carrier born Air too Air refueling too the Hornets

True. But the USN also utilizes USAF tankers when operating near the gulf region and Afghanistan.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
True. But the USN also utilizes USAF tankers when operating near the gulf region and Afghanistan.
and Kc130's too.
but if they were too be needed to operate independent of airbase support it would be hornets and only hornets,
And ASW is left too the SH60 seahawks and MH60 knighthawks and of course attack subs.
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

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F35 squads are IN!

First F-35 Squadron Plans Detailed
byDavid A. Fulghum [email protected]

The first three squadrons of F-35s - with at least 59 aircraft - will be formed at Eglin Air Force Base, Fla., between 2010, when the first aircraft arrives, and mid-2013 when No. 60 is due.

Of the three training squadrons to be stood up, one will be U.S. Air Force with 24 conventional takeoff aircraft, one will be Marine Corps with 20 short-takeoff-and-vertical-landing aircraft and the last, with 15 aircraft, will belong to the Navy.

The Air Force's bed-down decision involves temporary operational limitations on flight training to minimize noise impact in the nearby town of Valparaiso. Meanwhile, supplemental environmental studies will be conducted as the Air Force works on a final study on F-35 noise.

Details have yet to be pinned down, but the Joint Strike Fighter is expected to be louder than the F-15 and F-16 and about the same as the F/A-18E/Fs and F-22s, says USAF Maj. Gen. Charles Davis, the current F-35 program manager and the incoming commander of Eglin's Air Armament Center.

As part of a two-tier, environmental agreement - after the first 59 aircraft are in place - the Navy and the local community will consider increasing the number of F-35 training aircraft on the base to 113, according to Davis. Along with the integrated pilot school house, all JSF maintenance training will be conducted at Eglin.

The first Marine aircraft arrives in 2011. The fleet is expected to grow at the rate of about one per month. By 2014 the unit also will begin establishing its relationship with the Air Armament Center where the armed service develops its new kinetic and non-kinetic weapons and studies the introduction of new missions. For example, all initial F-35 Block 0.5 aircraft, because of their advanced electronically scanned array radars, will arrive capable of training for cruise-missile defense, Davis says.

To keep down the noise impact for Valparaiso, operations will be largely restricted to Eglin's East-West runway. Later, the North-South runway may be re-oriented away from the town and extended to the south to allow limited use, according to Kathleen Ferguson, deputy assistant secretary for installations.

If the number of training aircraft isn't allowed to expand, the Corps will likely establish its own flight training center at Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort, S.C. The first F-35 operations base will be established by the Marines in 2013, Davis says.

There are to be at least 10 JSF training squadrons formed. The Pentagon is looking at another 156 installations to determine the remaining JSF bases for operations, additional training, depots and combined active-duty/Air National Guard/Reserve units. Production of the F-35 is scheduled to end in 2035.
As you should know the F35 is America's newest Fighter too be used by the Three US services allowed too use Fighters USAF,USMC,US NAVY ( the Army allowed only limited Fixed wings aircraft. but unlimited Rotary Wing {Helocoptors}) It will also be used by the British, Isrealis and a number of other Nations It's Roles Include Close Air support, Electronic Warfare( projected both USAF Alpha's and USMC Brovo's ), Interceptor, tactical Bombing and Carrier Air wing (US NAVY Charley's)
 

The_Zergling

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I just read an interesting article on the use of snipers to reduce collateral damage in Afghanistan in our local paper..The rifle they are using costs $68,500 and can kill at 1500meters. Anyone know what rifle this could be.?
Us forces says sniping kills at knockdown prices.. citing the Vietnam war the avg number of rounds expended per kill with a M16 rifle was 50,000 rounds, (Gee the GI's/ Marines must have been lousy shots)while snipers used 1.3 bullets per kill. money wise that is$23000 using standard issue guns per kill compared to 17cents for a sniper.
Apparently the Pentagon are developing a guided smart bullet which can kill at 6.5kms.

I would argue that there are some psychological costs and downsides tied to increased use in sniping, but that's a completely different issue, I suppose.

I find the concept of a guided smart bullet very interesting, in that I have absolutely no idea how you would design the guidance system, or the adjustment mechanism... any ideas?
 
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