Miscellaneous News

ACuriousPLAFan

Brigadier
Registered Member
Oh my, oh boy, look at all the hysteria from just that one balloon...

On one hand, this event shows you just how hypocritical and ridiculous many Muricans have become. Their "mAn1fEsT dEsT1Ny" BS managed to cause irreversible damage to their minds and mentalities for the past 2+ centuries.

On the other hand, Chinese netizens are having a field day with the news. They are more than feeling proud that the balloon is coming from China:
 
Last edited:

escobar

Brigadier
It would kinda make sense that NORAD didn't catch it. After all, it was a slow object that was moving at a high altitude. NORAD probably was programmed to ignore such objects because its primary use was to track ballistic missiles which fly much faster than a balloon.
No they know. Canada CF-188 Hornets were tasked with intercepting and observing the balloon over Canada.
 

escobar

Brigadier
Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs confirms that the airship is from China. It is a civilian airship used for research, mainly meteorological, purposes. Affected by Westerlies and with limited self-steering capability, the airship deviated far from its planned course.
So, all those similar balloons, which been detected previously over Hawaii, Guam, CONUS in recent years on multiple occasions are all civilian airship. Ok
View attachment 106519
When USSR had shot down U2 spy plane, US responded with a clumsy cover story about a weather plane that had wandered off course, lol
 

pevade

Junior Member
Registered Member
China Meteorological Administration release heaps of helium balloons each year, in fact I remember watching a documentary about them back in the 90s and CMA people were saying there's some trick to them because the skin have to be very light weight plastic so it's fragile and when you release it it looks like an upside down used condom all wrinkly because you are only suppose to fill them with a small amount of helium at release time, as when it ascends to the target altitude the air pressure will be very low and the balloon will expand to the full size then. If you fill it till it's round at release time it will burst very quickly.

Seems entirely possible that some of those balloons stay up longer than expected and drift all over the place with wind, and Americans are just overreacting again.

But still, the fact that this thing made it all the way to Montana before being detected is interesting, I wonder...
artem-shakhnov-ashax-.jpg

You know if you make them all out of plastic.

View attachment 106517
My understanding so far is it's actually quite a tricky target to engage. It's flying so high that even if F-22 climb to its ceiling and release an AIM-120 the balloon is at just about the edge of the missile's capability.

It would be hilarious if under all that pressure Biden ends up ordering for it to be shot down, and they have to launch a THAAD interceptor to take it out.

If would be extra hilarious if AIM-120 or THAAD is used and misses, as I doubt that's the sort of target they were designed to engage.
If THAAD misses a giant slowass floating baloon I'll die laughing.
 

9dashline

Captain
Registered Member
Oh my, oh boy, look at all the hysteria from just that one balloon...

On the other hand, this event shows you just how hypocritical and ridiculous many Muricans have become. Their "mAn1fEsT dEsT1Ny" BS managed to cause irreversible damage to their minds and mentality for the past 2+ centuries.

On the other hand, Chinese netizens are having a field day with the news. They are more than feeling proud that the balloon is coming from China:
The hot air before the East Wind
 

Helius

Senior Member
Registered Member
Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs confirms that the airship is from China. It is a civilian airship used for research, mainly meteorological, purposes. Affected by Westerlies and with limited self-steering capability, the airship deviated far from its planned course.
So, all those similar balloons, which been detected previously over Hawaii, Guam, CONUS in recent years on multiple occasions are all civilian airship. Ok
View attachment 106519

>mainly used for meteorological research
>limited self-steering capability
>deviated from planned course

Sounds about right to me but those terms will just make the Americans even more paranoid.

A fleet of ISR balloons under the code name "Project Force Majeure" would've been brilliant though.

"Due to force majeure, we regret our completely innocuous balloons were force majeure'd into foreign airspace. As the balloons are susceptible to force majeure, we believe their trajectories were a direct result of force majeure. We reiterate that this is a force majeure event caused by force majeure. As such, we shall continue to maintain communication with our counterparts concerning this force majeure situation."
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Imagine wasting MTBO hours, airframe life and fuel for this....

Intercept would be counted as a good exercise, so no different from training hours, and may actual hold more training value so it would have been handled as a real mission.

Tryinh to shoot it down would have been an epic waste of resources and probably not a small risk since there is a fair chance of failure as no weapon would have been designed with such targets in mind.

The risks of collateral damage on the ground the Pentagon listed as their reason for not trying to shoot it down isn’t likely due to risks from falling ballon debris, but rather the missile coming back down due to a failed intercept.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
A fleet of ISR balloons under the code name "Project Force Majeure" would've been brilliant though.

"Due to force majeure, we regret our completely innocuous balloons were force majeure'd into foreign airspace. As the balloons are susceptible to force majeure, we believe their trajectories were a direct result of force majeure. We reiterate that this is a force majeure event caused by force majeure. As such, we shall continue to maintain communication with our counterparts concerning this force majeure situation."

ISR balloons would be much easier to shoot down since the sensors and other equipment they carry will have a significant metal content, so should give useable RCS for radar guided missiles to home in on. A civilian research balloon OTOH, will carry minimal equipment so would have a tiny RCS, have zero heat signature and have almost no Doppler effect. It will be rather hard to track or target.
 
Top