J-10 Thread IV

[Deino]

Just answer me this, finally. As this was all about range in the first place.

The J-10 with the spine, is this not considered a new variant?

It has been designed and built, it sure has it’s internals rearranged otherwise there is no need for a spine.

So, if those intervals have been re-arranged, will this not allow larger fuel tanks, and longer range?

Plain and simple NO, and now please stop this … it is almost as speculative like some former member‘s obsession to discuss a tail-less J-20. Yes, speculation is fine up to a certain point but discussing personnel obsessionsasif the military and industry follows the same path even if reality tells completely otherwise!

Therefore … llet‘s stop this now since all arguments are on the table and you won‘t change anyone‘s opinion - and even less the PLAAF‘s - onyl since you are enthusiastic!

 

[Untoldpain]

J10 and all it's iterative upgraded variants represented a monumental leap for Chinese domestic aircraft design and production. It remains a very useful platform in the current PLAAF force structure.

That being said, at the end of the day, J10 is limited by it's basic design form factor - a medium weight, single engine fighter most useful for homeland defense rather than long range maritime strike.

The Western Pacific is vast, and a conflict in this theatre will demand large un-refueled combat radius. There is a good reason PLAAF is winding down its procurement of J10C as it matures into a power projection force, capable of contesting air superiority further into the Western Pacifics. We can see them pouring tremendous resources into design and manufacture of long range air superiority platforms (aka. J-16, J-20, NGAD equivalents, etc), all of which are heavy weight, duel engine fighters.

Even discounting the fact that the "final form" J-10 is still at best a Gen 4+++ platform, it's inherent form factor highly discourages further PLA investment in its current and future security environment.

 

[gelgoog]

J-10 was a huge leap forward of Chinese aviation alright. It has twice the engine power of a J-7. Twice the range of a J-7. And it is a multi-role aircraft. If you look at the specifications of J-10 they are better than the twin engine J-8 in all aspects. Given the hundreds of J-8 and J-7 aircraft which still need replacement it makes no sense to discontinue it so early.

 

[tphuang]

J-10 was a huge leap forward of Chinese aviation alright. It has twice the engine power of a J-7. Twice the range of a J-7. And it is a multi-role aircraft. If you look at the specifications of J-10 they are better than the twin engine J-8 in all aspects. Given the hundreds of J-8 and J-7 aircraft which still need replacement it makes no sense to discontinue it so early.

Well, at the expected j20 production rate, we will have no need for j10s. J20 can replace j10 brigades. And then those j10s get moved inland to old j7 brigades. J7 can get put into storage or converted into unmanned aircraft like j6s. J8s are already gone with only a few j8fr left. The old su27 and j11a brigades will get replaced by j16s. I just don't see room for new j10s.

 

[Andy1974]

Can someone please just answer a question, I just want a simple answer. I am not trying to cause chaos, just seeking answers to my question.

What are the grey parts for?

Edit: Nevermind, I just saw it was answered by @Scchwerter_, thanks.

 

[gelgoog]

Su-27 and J-11A are single seater heavy fighter aircraft. I think it is more likely they will be replaced by J-20 than J-16.
J-16 will replace the JH-7 and maybe Su-30MKK.
I think it is unlikely we will see J-16 replace J-7, J-8 or J-10.

 

[Andy1974]

An interesting article about the spine from Tyler Rogoway, if anyone is interested..

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[Deino]

Can someone please just answer a question, I just want a simple answer. I am not trying to cause chaos, just seeking answers to my question.

What are the grey parts for?
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Edit: Nevermind, I just saw it was answered.

Where do you see grey?

By the way, just like the Su-30MK2, the J-10AH and J-10ASH from the PLAN's 4th Naval Air Brigade follow suit with the introduction of the unit's emblem and low visibility markings.

(Image via @军I名 from Weibo)

 

[Deino]

An interesting article about the spine from Tyler Rogoway, if anyone is interested..

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In fact no, it is Tyler's again too far speculating report especially since we already know this is the J-10CY for the "Ba Yi"!

So no need to start again the next round of discussion about things that are already known.

 

[Andy1974]

Where do you see grey?

By the way, just like the Su-30MK2, the J-10AH and J-10ASH from the PLAN's 4th Naval Air Brigade follow suit with the introduction of the unit's emblem and low visibility markings.

(Image via @军I名 from Weibo)


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I am referring to the grey/gereenish what looks like composite material that makes up part of the spine and part of the fuselage next to it. This is the crux of my question.

Please just bear with me for just one second.

My questions is about that section of the spine in grey/green. My theory is that it is composite because it needs to be so that some EM signal can pass through. This would not be needed by a smoke generator for air shows, I assume.

If that theory is true, I think it indicates this:

The internals have already been re-arranged to move avionics there. I.e. a redesign of the internals has already happened.

Which leads me to this:

If we have a new internal arrangement, surely that can lead to extended range.

That’s it, just want to know what’s wrong with that theory?