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Taiwan takes center stage at international forum meant to rein in China​

Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China will announce communique on Wednesday
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The Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China is holding a two-day conference in Washington. (Photo posted on IPAC's Twitter account)

JACK STONE TRUITT, Nikkei staff writerSeptember 14, 2022 06:32 JST
WASHINGTON --

Legislators from 30 countries have gathered here this week to agree on a plan for countering what they say is behavior from the Chinese Communist Party that threatens democracy and the international order.

On Wednesday, the Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China (IPAC) intends to adopt a communique that will focus on supporting Taiwan and Ukraine, defending human rights and strengthening democracies globally as well as the current international system.
Front and center at the summit are tensions in the Taiwan Strait.

"Supporting Taiwan is not only about Taiwan. It's not only about the global high-tech supply chain. It is also about your country, your people and your democratic way of life," said Fan Yun, a member of Taiwan's Legislative Yuan, the self-ruled island's parliament.

Members said Russia's ongoing war in Ukraine illustrates the urgency surrounding China's potential use of force against self-ruled Taiwan, which Beijing says is part of China.

"Supporting Taiwan is not only about Taiwan. It's not only about the global high-tech supply chain. It is also about your country, your people and your democratic way of life," said Fan Yun, a member of Taiwan's Legislative Yuan, the self-ruled island's parliament.

Members said Russia's ongoing war in Ukraine illustrates the urgency surrounding China's potential use of force against self-ruled Taiwan, which Beijing says is part of China.

"I believe there is no way that we get to the end of this decade without something happening in one way or the other with regards to Taiwan," said Sen. Marco Rubio, a Florida Republican and an IPAC co-chair from the U.S.

IPAC's stated goals include holding China "to the standards of the international legal order." When the alliance was formed in 2020, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Geng Shuang said: "We urge this handful of politicians to respect facts and basic norms of international relations, discard their Cold War mentality and ideological prejudice, and stop exploiting various issues to interfere in China's internal affairs and political manipulation for selfish gains."

Ukraine was also announced Tuesday as the latest legislative member addition to IPAC, which has grown from eight founding legislatures to 29 since its inception in June 2020.

Oleksandr Merezhko, a Ukrainian parliament member and IPAC co-chair, criticized China's claims of neutrality in the war in Ukraine, arguing that Beijing's purchases of Russian oil and votes against United Nations resolutions supporting Ukraine help Moscow circumvent Western sanctions.

"China claims that it is neutral. It's not neutral," he said, citing Chinese President Xi Jinping's self-described "no-limits" partnership with Russia. "They made this alliance just three weeks before the invasion, the Russian invasion of Ukraine. And it's a very telling fact."

Taiwanese politician Freddy Lim said the atmosphere at this IPAC summit and similar political gatherings since the Russian invasion has been notably different. Politicians from the U.S. and elsewhere no longer insist on giving China more time to assimilate into the international order.

"Twenty years ago, when we wanted to stand firm, we were called troublemakers," he said.

U.S. Sen. Robert Menendez, also an IPAC co-chair, took aim at the belief that increased trade and economic entanglement with China from the West would incentivize Beijing to conform to the American-led international system.

"We thought their participation in international organizations would move them as a positive contributor to the international order. Unfortunately, China accepted the invitation, but used it to its own advantage," said Menendez, a Democrat from New Jersey who chairs the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.


Other politicians from across the Indo-Pacific asserted their own concerns surrounding Beijing's increased geopolitical sway, and the allegations of ongoing human rights violations against the Uyghur ethnic group in China's Xinjiang region.

"[China] sometimes makes the accusation that they 'don't want Western values to be impressed on us,' but universal rights are not the exclusive domain of the West," said Yasue Funayama, an IPAC co-chair and member of Japan's upper house of parliament.

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Essentially the G7 and their supporters want China to bow to their hegemony & Pax Americana and change its political and economical model to 'integrate' in the so called 'international' order. They make all the important standards & rules in small settings like the G7 and we should just blindly adopt them across the political, economical, agricultural, cultural and trade field because that is what is needed to integrate in Pax Americana. And otherwise we are a threat to the so called 'liberal international order' (euphemism for western hegemony led by the USA). They will decide our destiny otherwise a threat to the international order. Those hegemonical white man burden & civilizing mission fucks.
I like the Ukrainian politician. He thinks China is not neutral now? Wait until he finds out what non-neutrality actually looks like.
 

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The only way they can hope to stop China is starting a war. All this talk means nothing if it's not about starting a war. China isn't worrying about competition because China's Ai is for China. It's the US worrying about China's because as usual the West needs to be in control of everything in order for them to feel like they're in control which means imposing theirs on the rest of the world.
 

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Taiwan takes center stage at international forum meant to rein in China​

Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China will announce communique on Wednesday
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The Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China is holding a two-day conference in Washington. (Photo posted on IPAC's Twitter account)

JACK STONE TRUITT, Nikkei staff writerSeptember 14, 2022 06:32 JST
WASHINGTON --

Legislators from 30 countries have gathered here this week to agree on a plan for countering what they say is behavior from the Chinese Communist Party that threatens democracy and the international order.

On Wednesday, the Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China (IPAC) intends to adopt a communique that will focus on supporting Taiwan and Ukraine, defending human rights and strengthening democracies globally as well as the current international system.
Front and center at the summit are tensions in the Taiwan Strait.

"Supporting Taiwan is not only about Taiwan. It's not only about the global high-tech supply chain. It is also about your country, your people and your democratic way of life," said Fan Yun, a member of Taiwan's Legislative Yuan, the self-ruled island's parliament.

Members said Russia's ongoing war in Ukraine illustrates the urgency surrounding China's potential use of force against self-ruled Taiwan, which Beijing says is part of China.

"Supporting Taiwan is not only about Taiwan. It's not only about the global high-tech supply chain. It is also about your country, your people and your democratic way of life," said Fan Yun, a member of Taiwan's Legislative Yuan, the self-ruled island's parliament.

Members said Russia's ongoing war in Ukraine illustrates the urgency surrounding China's potential use of force against self-ruled Taiwan, which Beijing says is part of China.

"I believe there is no way that we get to the end of this decade without something happening in one way or the other with regards to Taiwan," said Sen. Marco Rubio, a Florida Republican and an IPAC co-chair from the U.S.

IPAC's stated goals include holding China "to the standards of the international legal order." When the alliance was formed in 2020, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Geng Shuang said: "We urge this handful of politicians to respect facts and basic norms of international relations, discard their Cold War mentality and ideological prejudice, and stop exploiting various issues to interfere in China's internal affairs and political manipulation for selfish gains."

Ukraine was also announced Tuesday as the latest legislative member addition to IPAC, which has grown from eight founding legislatures to 29 since its inception in June 2020.

Oleksandr Merezhko, a Ukrainian parliament member and IPAC co-chair, criticized China's claims of neutrality in the war in Ukraine, arguing that Beijing's purchases of Russian oil and votes against United Nations resolutions supporting Ukraine help Moscow circumvent Western sanctions.

"China claims that it is neutral. It's not neutral," he said, citing Chinese President Xi Jinping's self-described "no-limits" partnership with Russia. "They made this alliance just three weeks before the invasion, the Russian invasion of Ukraine. And it's a very telling fact."

Taiwanese politician Freddy Lim said the atmosphere at this IPAC summit and similar political gatherings since the Russian invasion has been notably different. Politicians from the U.S. and elsewhere no longer insist on giving China more time to assimilate into the international order.

"Twenty years ago, when we wanted to stand firm, we were called troublemakers," he said.

U.S. Sen. Robert Menendez, also an IPAC co-chair, took aim at the belief that increased trade and economic entanglement with China from the West would incentivize Beijing to conform to the American-led international system.

"We thought their participation in international organizations would move them as a positive contributor to the international order. Unfortunately, China accepted the invitation, but used it to its own advantage," said Menendez, a Democrat from New Jersey who chairs the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.


Other politicians from across the Indo-Pacific asserted their own concerns surrounding Beijing's increased geopolitical sway, and the allegations of ongoing human rights violations against the Uyghur ethnic group in China's Xinjiang region.

"[China] sometimes makes the accusation that they 'don't want Western values to be impressed on us,' but universal rights are not the exclusive domain of the West," said Yasue Funayama, an IPAC co-chair and member of Japan's upper house of parliament.

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Essentially the G7 and their supporters want China to bow to their hegemony & Pax Americana and change its political and economical model to 'integrate' in the so called 'international' order. They make all the important standards & rules in small settings like the G7 and we should just blindly adopt them across the political, economical, agricultural, cultural and trade field because that is what is needed to integrate in Pax Americana. And otherwise we are a threat to the so called 'liberal international order' (euphemism for western hegemony led by the USA). They will decide our destiny otherwise a threat to the international order. Those hegemonical white man burden & civilizing mission fucks.
All these nations are going pay dearly soon when the winter sets in and Russia and China greatly limit resources to these idiots. Dancing on a nations red lines is all fun and games, until one wrong move and the idiots in Charge will do anything not to get put on the chopping block because even they know that no mercy will be given. Should Russia strike the USA with a nuclear weapon in a manner what will knock out the entire US energy grid, I wonder if the the Europeans will get the message and send to Russia all the Anti Russian leaders who had a hand in the Ukraine crisis, that is in the event that Russia finally loses it because it is inevitable the day will come that the USA will eventually get struck on their soil given the endless provocations and none stop idiocy and lecture that has long stopped being fun and games. No one is going to remain invincible for ever and the USA should dread the day this comes because of all the crimes that have not yet been answered for. I really do wonder what it will take for Russia to finally start using their hypersonic nukes because any other lesser nation in the same shoes might to be able to hold back as long as this. I wonder if the USA honestly realises what kind of danger they are truly in
 
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Armenia and Azerbaijan would probably find a ceasefire at SCO, otherwise it looks bad on SCO. This is probably the US playing with fire and pushing Azerbaijan to attack during this time.
They're not member states. For now, this is Russia's responsibility and China probably won't get involved directly. However, the Azeris are clearly in the wrong here, so sending weapons to Armenia shouldn't be a problem. Maybe they can send something via Iran
 

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They're not member states. For now, this is Russia's responsibility and China probably won't get involved directly. However, the Azeris are clearly in the wrong here, so sending weapons to Armenia shouldn't be a problem. Maybe they can send something via Iran
Erdogan is playing both side as he know Russia can't respond forcefully and he think Putin need him to export Russian oil through TurkStream.
 

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I like the Ukrainian politician. He thinks China is not neutral now? Wait until he finds out what non-neutrality actually looks like.
Ukrainians have made full use of the power of the media under the protection of the West. In recent months, Zelensky has become the king of the world.
But we all know that they only made comments on behalf of the Americans, and the United States is taking this opportunity to test the loyalty of its sphere of influence.

Why do we hope Ukrainians to understand what is "neutrality"? Americans do not allow neutrality.

The US Senate foreign relations committee is poised to vote on Taiwan Policy Act on Wednesday, with potential explosive impact.

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We'll see the results tonight. I think this act will be passed.
DPPs and their followers will get unprecedented spiritual inspiration. What should the leadership do? Will billions of dollars of arms completely update Taiwan's military arsenal? Will we issue some meaningless diplomatic protests again?
Time is getting more and more urgent. We can't take it easy to continue to deal with it as we did in the past.

Considering that the Americans plan to impose preventive sanctions, we must take military action anyway.
 

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No China has not lost. CCP members owning extravagant assets in the west is a major weakness that I believe US could very well weaponize when push comes to shove. Hence I support Xi's corruption crackdown. But I worry he might face too much resistance when it comes rooting out potential corruption among families of CCP elders and his allies.
Yeah, that much make sense. GEN.SEC Xi Jinping has a very formidable tasks in front of him in tackling these seemingly intractable issues especially ones that are pertinent to the party and it's many officials that are either morally, ethically corrupt or just thought they could play both camps for monetary and self-survival reasons.
 

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The Government of Ukraine has approved the state budget-2023, in which expenditures are twice as high as revenues.

Budget revenues — UAH 1.28 trillion (about $35 billion)

▪️Expenses — UAH 2.57 trillion (about $70 billion)

That is, the deficit will amount to about $ 3 billion per month.

▪️Inflation is projected at 30% per annum.

Military expenditures — UAH 1.1 trillion or almost 50% of all budget expenditures.

To cover the deficit, Kiev plans external loans in the amount of UAH 1.5 trillion (about $ 41 billion dollars).

Prime Minister of Ukraine Denys Shmyhal: "The 2023 budget is a budget for victory" :rolleyes:

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The US Senate foreign relations committee is poised to vote on Taiwan Policy Act on Wednesday, with potential explosive impact.

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The Act will pass.

As I have said before, contrary to what some people think, Thucydides Trap is very much alive and well nowadays
 
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