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Chilled_k6

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East Asia is is a better position than most of Europe as their fertility rate drop occurred much later. The reason the drop is lower is because of the lack of immigration. If you look at the native populations of most European countries much lower than the national rate.

The concerning thing is I've not seen a single country implement anything that could be considered potentially successful. It's all things that were implemented and failed before.

The way I'm increasingly seeing it is natural selection. If a society needs to implement draconian measures to keep its people reproducing it doesn't deserve to exist. I wonder how many tribes in prehistorical times went extinct because they didn't bother learning to cultivate fire, save up enough food for winter, etc.
Then that might be the destiny of the human race, since all trends point to decreasing fertility as countries industrialize. I guess in a way it is natural selection, since the individual humans become more productive you naturally need less people. Maybe in an ironic twist, countries that fail to industrialize will live on?

Morbid jokes aside. China implemented pretty draconian measures (1 child policy) to control the exploding population. There's a lot of positive arguments that the policy helped propel China to where it is today. Now China needs to reverse the trend in the other way, I don't see why "draconian" policies shouldn't be implemented in some form, if the 1 child policy was introduced before and people's preference back then was to have big families. There are ways to heavily incentivize and change people's thinking. It's like tending the garden, if left naturally there'll be weeds all over the place. With some intervention, the plants will grow up well.
 

Nutrient

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Good comment. My answer ...


This is because while the Sun is, as you've correctly stated, basically sending us energy for free, we can't put that energy to use without spending energy.
Yes, that is true: we need to spend some energy to gather solar energy. But the payback is more than worth it, so much that we can get our energy investment back, have many years of essentially "free" energy, and then have a lot of energy left over to make more solar panels. This is obviously very sustainable.

According to
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, a publication with a growing reputation, the energy payback for a rooftop PV panel that works for 30 years is from 1 to 4 years. Thus for rooftop solar PV, EROEI is from 30/4=7.5 to 30/1=30.

(By the way, the 7.5 figure for EROEI is similar to the 7-8 range you cited later in your comment.)

Assume a PV panel lasts 30 years (some last much longer). Then, even if we take the pessimistic 7.5 EROEI as definitive -- and ignore the more optimistic figure of 30 -- we would spend the first four years of operation recovering our energy investment, get 22 years of essentially free energy, and still have four years left over to collect the energy needed to make replacement panels. This is obviously sustainable.

And as I noted previously, there is a lot of solar energy available -- thousands of times more energy than the world is using right now -- thousands of times more than coal, oil, hydro, nuclear, and so on combined. This is why I refuted @9dashline's doom and gloom on EROEI (Energy Return on Energy Invested).

So the plan is clear: use some of the energy we have now to make and install the solar panels. Then, in 30 years or so, use the energy collected by the panels to make replacement panels. We can keep this going indefinitely, as long as the sun shines (billions of years).

Okay, thanks for replying. Now I invite @9dashlline to justify his doom and gloom on EROEI.
 
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Lnk111229

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Lol
Seriously though I speak from experience that Aussies are for whatever reason hypersensitive to Asian powers and always dreaming about being invaded. Shilao said he's personally been asked by Australians on how likely North Korea will invade Australia back when they started their nuclear testing.

Again, I bring up this example of animation for a movie called "Tomorrow, when the War Began", based on a book that Australian kids study during high school about a theoretical invasion by unspecified Asian power and a group of Australian kids waging guerilla war against the invaders:
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Notice the canard-less J-10?
Aussie is like little stupid kid who have powerful parents(Anglo) so instead study in normal class he end up attend in elite chosen class. This poor kid developed insecure feeling everyone will expose and humiliating him. This feeling grow tremendous when new true genius hard work kid(China) join elite class. So Aussie became rabid little t*rd try very hard to export genius kid out class so he can save his own little ass.
 

Temstar

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The generous amount of $ thrown to Ukraine might be enough to arm each Ukrainian family with a tank & anti air missile.

how i wish they provide details of the $3B
Ahem:

However, several US media outlets reported on Tuesday that the contents of Wednesday’s arms package may not reach the battlefield for months or even years. Unnamed US officials told the Associated Press that Washington expects Ukrainian forces “to fight for years to come.”
 

ansy1968

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Aussie is like little stupid kid who have powerful parents(Anglo) so instead study in normal class he end up attend in elite chosen class. This poor kid developed insecure feeling everyone will expose and humiliating him. This feeling grow tremendous when new true genius hard work kid(China) join elite class. So Aussie became rabid little t*rd try very hard to export genius kid out class so he can save his own little ass.
Can't blame them bro, they stand out, as an interloper, they're in a region surrounded and overwhelmed by us Asian savages...lol Don't be offended bro that description makes us more manly...lol
 

AssassinsMace

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Lol
Seriously though I speak from experience that Aussies are for whatever reason hypersensitive to Asian powers and always dreaming about being invaded. Shilao said he's personally been asked by Australians on how likely North Korea will invade Australia back when they started their nuclear testing.

Again, I bring up this example of animation for a movie called "Tomorrow, when the War Began", based on a book that Australian kids study during high school about a theoretical invasion by unspecified Asian power and a group of Australian kids waging guerilla war against the invaders:
eN6yLOw.gif

50ZHQrD.jpg

Notice the canard-less J-10?
It shouldn't be surprising since back in the 1960s Australians went as far as kidnapping British children and trafficking them to Australia all because Australians feared they didn't have enough people to fight China. Australians are the North Koreans of the West.
 
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