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Michaelsinodef

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SK and Japan are in Asia. They are not the only ones with growing hatred on China. There is still superpowah India. Malaysia have recently joined the anti-China club. The Philippines is hot and cold with China. Vietnam is not fond of China, but their are not interested in joining any anti-China alliance for now. Turkey, which the West consider to be located in Asia do not like China.

You are right in saying that most of Asia are getting close to China. What is also true is that anti-China hate is growing. Even pro-China countries like Pakistan have a number of Balochs committing terrorism on the Chinese. This is comes from the US's anti-China campaign. There are always idiots who would readily let the US manipulate them. This is only gonna get worse, the bigger the tensions between the West with China.

This is all very stupid, but sometimes it's better to mentally prepare ourselves for stupid things to happen. Malaysia is the best example of stupidity.
SK and Japan are in Asia yes, but they do not represent ASIA, some people think they do, but they don't.

As for the rest you mention (Malaysia, Philippines, Vietnam, Turkey and India), take some time to actually see what actions their government has done and says.

Basically, that supposed 'anti-China' you think they are is fake lol, most fueled by fake news western media. Although yes, there are elements of the population and a smaller subset of the 'elite'/politicians etc. that are 'anti-China'.
 

Abominable

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SK and Japan are in Asia. They are not the only ones with growing hatred on China. There is still superpowah India. Malaysia have recently joined the anti-China club. The Philippines is hot and cold with China. Vietnam is not fond of China, but their are not interested in joining any anti-China alliance for now. Turkey, which the West consider to be located in Asia do not like China.

You are right in saying that most of Asia are getting close to China. What is also true is that anti-China hate is growing. Even pro-China countries like Pakistan have a number of Balochs committing terrorism on the Chinese. This is comes from the US's anti-China campaign. There are always idiots who would readily let the US manipulate them. This is only gonna get worse, the bigger the tensions between the West with China.

This is all very stupid, but sometimes it's better to mentally prepare ourselves for stupid things to happen. Malaysia is the best example of stupidity.
With the right foreign policy I think it'll get better.

Improving relations with Russia will help break down the barriers with a lot of of those countries. Prime example, Vietnam. Vietnamese for some reason still love Russia even though they are now capitalist.

Even countries like the Philippines used to be considered American colonies are now creating their own independent policy.
 

xypher

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@pmc Could you do a defense of Germanic Engineering ™ for us?

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China is steadily wiping out German industry​

National strategy that defined Angela Merkel era has run its course
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Diana Choyleva
June 30, 2022 17:00 JST

Diana Choyleva is chief economist of Enodo Economics, a macroeconomic and political forecasting company in London.

If there was ever a symbiosis between Germany and China, that time has passed. Germany is slowly but surely realizing that a national industrial strategy based on synergy with China is headed toward a dead-end.
The partnership that defined Angela Merkel's years as chancellor will not outlive her administration by long. In fact, the partnership is already in its death throes. What remains now is for German business leaders and politicians to define what will replace it.
For almost two decades, the synergy between China and Germany worked. China contributed low wages and input costs. Germans contributed technical know-how and the fruits of decades of engineering breakthroughs and research. Young Chinese workers got jobs. Aging German investors got profits.
But in the end, Germany has lost out to China's manufacturing prowess. China's auto industry is surpassing Germany's, certainly in size and soon, perhaps, in quality. China's relentless focus on digitalization and other emerging technologies is reducing its dependence on a rival whose manufacturing and engineering heyday was in the 1970s.
Original analysis by Enodo Economics shows that Beijing's "Made in China 2025" industrial policy has done exactly what critics warned it would. It has empowered new niche players with the potential to displace the mid-size specialty manufacturers that are the heart and soul of the German economy.
Over a decade ago, the sudden emergence of Chinese competitors wiped out Germany's advanced solar power industry. Now, that experience is likely to repeat across a broad spectrum of industries.
Meanwhile, China is moving relentlessly into the new strategic technologies of the future artificial intelligence, electric vehicles and the digitization of the economy. We do not know yet whether Beijing's top-down model of statist industrial policy will achieve all of its goals, but we do know that in these fields, China has no need to look to Germany for investment or technology.
The hollowing out of German industry might paradoxically have led to a greater focus on China, as German companies squeezed the remaining profits out of their biggest market. That, in turn, would have kept Europe as a balancing player in the growing divergence between the U.S. and China. But the Russian invasion of Ukraine earlier this year has changed the calculation by ensuring that Germany stays within the U.S. sphere of influence during the great decoupling.
Strategically, Germany can no longer afford to mollify an expansionist Russia. Economically, it can no longer afford to muddle along in a partnership with China which will inevitably sap its own industrial strength. The lines of what it cannot do are increasingly clear; it remains to define what it will do.
A Germany that aligns itself with the U.S. will have to disentangle from two fatal dependencies: dependency on its Russian energy imports and dependency on its China joint ventures. Chancellor Olof Schulz has already taken some steps to detach from Russia, thanks to the war in Ukraine.
As for corporate decoupling, there are models out there. Every industrial country has had its China epiphany during the past decade, the moment when its businesses realize that they cannot afford to put all their eggs in the China basket.
State-backed nationalist protests in China persuaded Japanese and South Korean companies that they needed a "China plus one" strategy; the result was new production centers in Southeast Asia.
Taiwanese businesses began investing elsewhere as soon as labor costs tipped up in China. The Trump tariffs pushed American industry, kicking and screaming, into seriously considering supply chain diversification.
French and British companies have tried diversifying markets rather than production. Their "third country" approach involves selling products manufactured at their China-based joint ventures into developing countries, in effect, using the China cost structure to access new projects and deals in new markets.
German companies came late to their epiphany. Disruptions caused by the COVID lockdowns of 2020 and 2022 forced the first real rethink.
A second shock came last month when Berlin refused to renew investment guarantees for Volkswagen's controversial assembly plant in Xinjiang, where about one million people, mostly Uighurs, have been forced into "re-education" camps. Volkswagen says there is no forced labor at its factory near Urumqi, the capital of the Xinjiang region, and no one has produced evidence of any.

Berlin's broader point is that it will no longer write blank checks for German companies to invest in the rival that is eroding German strength and supporting Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
I have argued for some time that investors need to prepare for the great decoupling and Europe's coming divergence with China on every front: political, economic and strategic. This is true for Germany more than anywhere.
It is not enough to say enough about industrial strategies that no longer serve Germany well; a new strategy is needed. German industry is unlikely to fully adopt either the China plus one or the third country models.
Instead, the first step should be to invest in the technologies and modern practices that would allow German companies to once again confidently occupy the vanguard of their fields. Investors will reward those who succeed.
pmc on suicide watch
 

manqiangrexue

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We need you peasants to suffer for the sake of ukraine and totally not because we are greedy. slava ukrini!!!11!!1
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This is why democrats aren't gonna be able to hang on. Come election time, Trump is gonna tell Americans he'll drop gas back to $2, he'll do a high-5 with Putin and tell Ukraine to stick it where the sun don't shine, and he'll win in a landslide. Biden's got no defense against that but he's old enough anyway where you can just tell him that's he's leaving cus he finished 2 terms and he'll happily believe you. Then NATO/the EU will go back to the "woe is me; darkness has taken over" again as Trump declares that America's the only country that matters so they can all kiss his wrinkled orange...
 

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We need you peasants to suffer for the sake of ukraine and totally not because we are greedy. slava ukrini!!!11!!1
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Do you think Biden finally giving up on mid term reelection? It’s within Republican interest to let Biden and the Democrats completely destroy the US economy to guarantee Republican control for the next couple decades. Doesn’t matter if the US implodes either.

Biden vows indefinite support for Kyiv​

US president says Washington and its NATO allies will ensure war does not end with ‘a Russian defeat of Ukraine’.

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Sardaukar20

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SK and Japan are in Asia yes, but they do not represent ASIA, some people think they do, but they don't.

As for the rest you mention (Malaysia, Philippines, Vietnam, Turkey and India), take some time to actually see what actions their government has done and says.

Basically, that supposed 'anti-China' you think they are is fake lol, most fueled by fake news western media. Although yes, there are elements of the population and a smaller subset of the 'elite'/politicians etc. that are 'anti-China'.
Well I do hope that you are right and I'm wrong. That most of Asia is pivoting towards China more than the West.

That being said, the anti-China wave that I have observed, it's real. More real in some places than others. Maybe because I'm in Malaysia, I feel very pessimistic. In Malaysia, the anti-China wave started as an undercurrent. It went mainstream overtime due to slick Western propaganda and a relatively stupid population. In 2018, it finally entered the government, with real repercussions. BRI projects were cancelled, and FDI plummeted.

Since Covid-19 came, the anti-China wave exploded. Eventhough much of the Covid-related hardship in Malaysia is self-inflicted. Like the Americans, Malaysians always blame others instead of owning up to their errors. Thus, roughly 70% of Malaysians blamed China for the pandemic.

That's why I mentioned that in the pro-American, or the stupid parts of Asia. Things are getting worse.

One more thing to add. India has a population roughly double of that of SEA. Because it's firmly in the anti-China camp, it does skew heavily in favor of the anti-China statistics in Asia. Not that India actually matters in the grander scheme of things. But the China haters are still gonna remind us about this statistic.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Well I do hope that you are right and I'm wrong. That most of Asia is pivoting towards China more than the West.

That being said, the anti-China wave that I have observed, it's real. More real in some places than others. Maybe because I'm in Malaysia, I feel very pessimistic. In Malaysia, the anti-China wave started as an undercurrent. It went mainstream overtime due to slick Western propaganda and a relatively stupid population. In 2018, it finally entered the government, with real repercussions. BRI projects were cancelled, and FDI plummeted.

Since Covid-19 came, the anti-China wave exploded. Eventhough much of the Covid-related hardship in Malaysia is self-inflicted. Like the Americans, Malaysians always blame others instead of owning up to their errors. Thus, roughly 70% of Malaysians blamed China for the pandemic.

That's why I mentioned that in the pro-American, or the stupid parts of Asia. Things are getting worse.

One more thing to add. India has a population roughly double of that of SEA. Because it's firmly in the anti-China camp, it does skew heavily in favor of the anti-China statistics in Asia. Not that India actually matters in the grander scheme of things. But the China haters are still gonna remind us about this statistic.
All China needs to do is it's continued economic dominance and success, not to mention dominance in Science and Engineering plus research and development for the next big thing in the 4th Industrial revolution. If the Indians still refuses to accept what's in front of their faces then that's on them.

I mean, who in their right mind is going or willing to get pulverized by the impending military juggernaut in all of Asia that's China’s PLA. Imagine a world where the PLA has 6 CVN, H-20 bombers, J-35 fighter planes, and a whole hosts of new weapons available to the PLA?

We Asians respect and are in awe of power. The loser Asians still underestimate the power of China most especially of it's military due to a lot of misconceptions, disinformation, misinformation, and dated information that much of ASEAN countries choose to ignore. For some of them, ignorance is bliss, and facts are considered fiction if it doesn't conform to their implicit and explicit biases.
 

Michaelsinodef

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Well I do hope that you are right and I'm wrong. That most of Asia is pivoting towards China more than the West.

That being said, the anti-China wave that I have observed, it's real. More real in some places than others. Maybe because I'm in Malaysia, I feel very pessimistic. In Malaysia, the anti-China wave started as an undercurrent. It went mainstream overtime due to slick Western propaganda and a relatively stupid population. In 2018, it finally entered the government, with real repercussions. BRI projects were cancelled, and FDI plummeted.

Since Covid-19 came, the anti-China wave exploded. Eventhough much of the Covid-related hardship in Malaysia is self-inflicted. Like the Americans, Malaysians always blame others instead of owning up to their errors. Thus, roughly 70% of Malaysians blamed China for the pandemic.

That's why I mentioned that in the pro-American, or the stupid parts of Asia. Things are getting worse.

One more thing to add. India has a population roughly double of that of SEA. Because it's firmly in the anti-China camp, it does skew heavily in favor of the anti-China statistics in Asia. Not that India actually matters in the grander scheme of things. But the China haters are still gonna remind us about this statistic.
If you understand chinese, listen to some of the latest Guanqi podcasts
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Would especially recommend episode 264.
 

pmc

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You forgot to mention Germanic engineering for the first time.
It is very obvious from the link i posted. Can Turks land so many planes on a resort town in a day without German engineering?. they will be more and more depended earning money from utilizing German engineering. its deep interoperability.
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Another imperial fantasy dude.
look at picture. those who were advocating Roman empire and Eurabia are in front. only incompetence of these countries prevent Germany from fully supporting them but if it were to happen than Asia will feel it first as they will have the first right on global resources since they are abondoning it from Russia.
 
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