CV-18 Fujian/003 CATOBAR carrier thread

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Richard Santos

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pakje said:
the way i like to think about it, is that the J-15T is a souped up modernized F-14
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F-14 is primarily a loitering fleet defense interceptor with a secondary air superiority role. J-15T a multirole strike fighter. J-15T is more like a larger and more powerful version of the F-18 rather than an equivalent of the F-14.

There is no direct equivalent of F-14 in any naval role today. the closest equivalent anywhere would be the Mig-31. Think of F-14 as a 70:30 merger of the Mig-31 and Su-27, modified to maximize the amount of time it can stay in the air over a relatively compact area of defense.
 
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Tam

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This is what I think:

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Brown could be IFF, which is new design for the PLAN.

Green could be ESM, seen before on the integrated mast of the 055.

Blue could be CEC, seen before on the mast of 055 and Shandong.

Black is not installed yet, I am not sure yet.

Red could be a continuous wave radar used as a landing radar. It reminds me of the new target emitters on the new batch 054A.

Orange could be ECM, seen before on under the bridge wings of the 055.
 
TK3600

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Biscuits said:
I would think it's similar to why America built a single Enterprise class carrier. Except for China, the trial is in the integrated electric propulsion and catapult systems.

While China hasn't build carrier sized reactors, they have a world class history with submarine reactors, and as shown by America, you can feasibly design a stop gap nuclear carrier propulsion by having a bunch of submarine sized reactors. This option would have been very safe for China. Compared to that, IEPS is not as well developed technology.

For China it is not important to have nuclear propulsion because the goal is to defend the region and not send them on missions against lightly armed nations further away. The carrier can only travel as far as its escorts, and said escorts are all conventional fueled. IEPS has great value if succesful use on 003 can pave the way for 055B or new navy frigates with said systems.

China will eventually use nuclear propulsion, but likely the main draw is on board space, not ship range. The 004 carrier can be increased in size and deck space by moving the island back, if there's no need to power it with a conventional turbine that demands a smokestack. The more conservative route is a 004 with ~8 submarine powerplants, but there's a good chance China will develop a new type of large nuclear reactor.
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Submarine reactor for nuclear carrier? Poverty symptom much? You talk as if American have all IEPS on their destroyer because they run full nuclear carrier line up.
 
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ashnole

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Congratulations to China on their latest and greatest-ever Carrier. A phenomenal achievement indeed.

That said, it is necessary for some posters here to be humble and not try to act as if the Americans have been making stupid design decisions for their Carriers and that China has built a perfect Carrier on its very first attempt.

For example, a couple of posters have said that Americans designing additional lifts on the port side is unnecessary ("US has an odd obsession with having a lift on port side") without realizing that it is for redundancy against wartime damage to the starboard elevators. Also, having an elevator that allows for planes to also exit the port side of the hangar greatly facilitates (you do not have to turn the parked aircraft's nose to the other side) aircraft flow when more aircrafts are needed on the deck and in quick succession. You cannot design a Carrier assuming that it won't be hit during wartime.

Also, catapult failture rates are greater than what is acknowledged. Even on a 4 catapult American Carrier, to keep 3 working at all times is a huge ask. In Fujian's case, PLAN would be lucky to have 2 working at all times during wartime when intense cyclic launches would be required.

So, while Fujian is a fantastic achievement by any standard, it is still the penultimate step for PLAN towards a true 4-catapult, 3/4 lift, 75 aircraft air-wing nuclear-powered Supercarrier.
 
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Warning to everyone -- any further silly one liner posts including anime references, links to other websites/forums and laughing at their bitterness, and generally non-constructive one liner remarks, will be subject to deletion without warning. Repeated infarctions could result in moderator warnings.

Enthusiasm is fine. But this forum only allows for ten posts per page, and when half of the posts on a page are silly memes, anime pictures, or mocking other websites, it becomes very tiresome very quickly.


Put a bit of effort into a semblance of professionalism please. At least in a way such that if outsiders were to observe this forum, they wouldn't end up laughing at you.
 
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Biscuits

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TK3600 said:
Submarine reactor for nuclear carrier? Poverty symptom much? You talk as if American have all IEPS on their destroyer because they run full nuclear carrier line up.
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Sorry I don't understand your statement.

I think China wishes to move towards all IEPS lineup due to its own reasons, because it has trialed some weapon systems which would demand heavy power consumption.
 
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