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Phead128

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Where is Europe going to get all of their oil when the OPEC countries (excluding Russia) output/capacity is alleged to be at maximum level ?
In a free market, the oil supply goes to the highest bidder. So Europe will get its oil supply, but at what cost?
What are they going to diversify it to? The Saudis won't pick up the phone. Venezuela? Iran?
Saudi's are not picking up the phone to increase output and lower prices. Saudis are willing to re-direct oil to Europe if it pays a higher price, but at what cost is Europe willing to pay?
 

Bellum_Romanum

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In a free market, the oil supply goes to the highest bidder. So Europe will get its oil supply, but at what cost?

Saudi's are not picking up the phone to increase output and lower prices. Saudis are willing to re-direct oil to Europe if it pays a higher price, but at what cost is Europe willing to pay?
Which means HELLO RUSSIA or they're F...
 

taxiya

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Russia enforcing the 'Petro-ruble' for 'unfriendly' countries (or else!) is an economic nuclear bomb. It is successful in stabilizing ruble's currency death spiral in short-medium term, but I question the viability in the long-term, as we see signs of EU diversifying oil imports away from Russia by end of the year. I'm sure gas imports are next, but a longer-term effort.
The total world consumption of oil and gas won't change suddenly. If the EU reduce import from Russia, Russia will find the market shares vacated by EU. The EU sanction on Russian Oil and Gas business is a short-term pain for both sides. The long-term effect is trade and economical disengagement of the two sides. So long as Russia has the oil and gas, rubel will maintain its strength, just think of oil as the black gold. The bottom line is that paper money should be issued to represent the physical product (oil in this case), there is need for the product, the paper printed accordingly will be valuable accordingly.
 
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emblem21

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For natural gas, yes, Hello Russia or they are fucked.
For oil, no, there are many alternative suppliers of oil other than Russia.
With the way that Europe is conducting themselves, no nation is going to willingly aid the Europe with cheap gas and oil unless they can get something out of it and no Euros and US dollars isn’t really sustainable in the long term, especially when they showed how they can and will confiscate another nations foreign reserves because they don’t like someone. China nor any south East Asian nation has never crossed that line so really Europe is in a bind of their own making and they will eventually collapse down to the level of third world country with a huge degree of certainty. Let’s see how Europe’s ends up in a few months time and whether Ursula Von delyan can finally such up about her values, especially when she will be know as the woman that destroyed the Europe industry for good
 

taxiya

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For natural gas, yes, Hello Russia or they are fucked.
For oil, no, there are many alternative suppliers of oil other than Russia.
During the Obama era, some 911 victim families tried to sue Saudi Arabia for compensation. Obama was smart enough not to allow that to happen. Now Blinken is threatening to confiscate assets of Bank of Russia for Ukraine. Many western countries have confiscated assets of Russian individuals on the pretence of them assisting Russia's war on Ukraine. How would the alternative suppliers (Saudi Arabia and other non "democratic") feel to give their oil in return for waste papers in EU and US banks or treasure bond accounts? They would also think of diversifying their market in light of the treatment of Russia by the west.
 

pmc

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For natural gas, yes, Hello Russia or they are fucked.
For oil, no, there are many alternative suppliers of oil other than Russia.
Oil also include diesel. Russia making $400m per day on diesel from Europe. any tinkering around will further raise the prices on both sides of Atlantic. impact on jet fuel is similar.
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Topazchen

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Another documentary from CNA on their "When Titan Clash Series" that started last year.

I am not going to provide my opinion on this documentary as not to cloud, prime, influence the minds of people on here that are maybe interested on watching this documentary. All I am going to say is that it's very interesting, illuminating, and surprising to say the least.

Have read a few comments and I don't think it's worth my time to watch.

The West thought social media would collapse "autocracies" but all it did was prove the West doesn't believe in free speech. Since Elon Musk is about to take over Twitter, the self-anointed champions of freedom are afraid of too much free speech where they alone get to decide the point of too much freedom. Look at the US winter Olympics athlete that was banned from Twitter for disagreeing with those pundits back in the US who claimed China was going to treat the athletes in intolerable ways because of COVID-19. He was banned for not supporting US lies. The irony is the controllers of the media like how there's a common belief that there's some bureaucracy that prevents lying through all media platforms. That helps cover-up when they lie to the public because that makes people believe whatever they publish has to be the truth. That's why the traditional mainstream media didn't like the rise of the internet. It gave the common person a voice where it threatened their control of the narrative. They don't have the power to control information as much anymore. Another irony is what they don't like as a destructive force in their own societies is what they want to use on China. Like the rise of social media, the rise of China is showing the true colors of the West. They want to sow chaos in China so it's never a threat to Western power. So don't believe they believe everyone in the world is equal because the rise of China shows they need all the power in the world for themselves in order to stay on top. Nothing in there says anything about everyone being equal.
That's also the thinking behind Starlink. The primary purpose is to undermine the control that countries like China, Russia, Cuba, Iran, NKorea have over their internet.
 
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