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plawolf

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The problem is that the US is more willing to act in a irrational manner. Imagine if China sanctioned GM. Half of GM's revenues would dry out and most likely doom the company. What would happen to Apple? App developers, pension funds, other investors, they would all take a massive hit if something were to happen. There was a WSJ headline that said the "US needs to show it is willing to go to nuclear war", this is the kind of thinking you are working against.

First of all, these are rumours, and the Chinese government does not respond to rumours, only actual events.

Secondly, it’s been clear for quite some time that the Biden Admin is a rudderless mess where Biden is too busy trying to find his marbles to be able to keep his underlining in check and everyone is running their own agenda and pulling in different directions.

It is entirely possible, likely even, that whoever is making this leak knows they don’t have the pull to make a call on this magnitude of significance, so they leak it hoping China will react so they can then use that reaction as retrospective justification to do what they originally wanted but couldn’t on their own.

The worst thing China can do is actually react too strongly to such rumours. Since doing so will chop the legs out from under those in the American government arguing and fighting against such idiocy by whipping up public opinion against ‘backing down’, which will probably be enough to trump all other considerations when Biden is finally brought in to make a decision.

The US Supreme Court leak on Roe v Wade overturn also smacks of this kind of gamesmanship. Because I cannot remember any previous leaks like this before.
 

Overbom

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Well, that was quick. Lots of puff and fuff, but in the end..

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US plans to counter China ‘at risk because of allies’ reluctance to host missile systems’​

  • A report says Washington’s treaty allies in the Indo-Pacific would be reluctant to provoke China by offering permanent bases for intermediate missiles
  • The best option may be to help Japan develop its own anti-ship missiles, the analysis concludes
Cheung Mong, an associate professor at Waseda University in Japan, said Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida might welcome the other alternatives because the new government does not want to provoke Beijing, despite the importance of the US alliance.
“The current reality of Tokyo’s defence plan is: it attempts to use US military power to defend the Diaoyu-Senkaku Islands,” he said referring to the uninhabited islands in the East China Sea which both China and Japan claim.
But it doesn’t want to be dragged into the Taiwan issue too deeply, which is the opposite of what the US wants to do.”
 

Overbom

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I expect hate crime against Asians would go up especially after relationship between China and the US would further deteriorated.
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They want an outlet to vent their anger for their own failures. Republicans and Democrats (stealthily) are happily using the China card to avoid having to shoulder the responsibility of the covid response and the economic mess they created

And because people are dumb (yes they are, I never accepted the argument that people are smart) they believe these lies and then they think China = Asia = whoever looks Chinese I will blame him for my own failures and then maybe attack him depending on how much of a loser I am

Disgusting
 

Andy1974

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here is my take on hikvision.

Washington has been saving serious sanctions for this company in particular, it’s trivial to get support for sanctions against Chinese spy-tech.

Washington WANTs China to respond, because they can win a moral battle against a spy camera company.

China should respond by sanctioning the Private American Prison industry and the products and services they provide, citing slave labor and human rights abuses, citing a specific measure in the International Labor agreements that China just ratified maybe. This puts China at the moral high ground, even in the minds of americans.

China can escalate by sanctioning other such industries as the anti-abortion organizations, insulin makers, environmental polluters, hunting organizations, gun makers, drug paraphernalia manufacturers and more hilarious industries that just make America look ridiculous.
 

gelgoog

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The bauxite ore isn't particularly rare. And Russia isn't a substantial miner of bauxite. I don't think Ukraine even has any mines. Most of it comes from Guinea or Brazil.

This is about refining bauxite into alumina. RUSAL has a large alumina refining facility in Nikolayev, Ukraine, and this alumina then gets sent to facilities in Russia or Ukraine for electrolysis and smelting into actual aluminium metal. Alumina refining facilities are typically built near either large mines or port facilities. I assume this facility is there for historical reasons because of the port facilities in the Black Sea region.
RUSAL operates large alumina refineries inside Russia proper as well. Like four times the capacity of the plant in Ukraine. These are close to the mines in Central Siberia. From what I understand Russia has enough capacity to refine and smelt all it needs. But it has more smelting than refining capacity and what comes out from that is basically for export.

So basically this will impact global aluminium prices, and Russian aluminium exports, unless they can come up with alternative supplies like they are doing right now, but it should not impact internal Russian production and consumption.
 
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Overbom

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Washington has been saving serious sanctions for this company in particular, it’s trivial to get support for sanctions against Chinese spy-tech.

Washington WANTs China to respond, because they can win a moral battle against a spy camera company.
I agree.


China should respond by sanctioning the Private American Prison industry and the products and services they provide, citing slave labor and human rights abuses, citing a specific measure in the International Labor agreements that China just ratified maybe. This puts China at the moral high ground, even in the minds of americans.
That's a novel approach and I quite like it tbh. You are right that targeting Hikivision is quire smart from them because well... who is really want to be seen protecting a spy camera company.. This allows the deep state to punch through business lobby resistance and any possible Democratic party or allied countries resistance by waving the "human rights" flag

The prison labour counter, proposal is also smart move. You can hold the moral ground and give some cover so that lobbies and special interests groups can find a narrative to resist against the US deep state.

China can escalate by sanctioning other such industries as the anti-abortion organizations, insulin makers, environmental polluters, hunting organizations, gun makers, drug paraphernalia manufacturers and more hilarious industries that just make America look ridiculous.
All these are well thought proposals. I never bothered to think about possible targets beyond hard-hitting their big companies. But this new approach on sanctioning these kinds of businesses is an idea worth exploring..

If I may add another benefit for China, is that this way China would bring to light the US' dirty laundry in front of the whole world (systemic competition), while introducing more political infighting to US politics because Democrats would have a resurgent progressive wing demanding to resolve these issues. Finally, Democratic / Republican schism would be widened as more friction and spotlight would be introduced in their policies and how they differ

Excellent stuff
 

In4ser

Junior Member
I agree.



That's a novel approach and I quite like it tbh. You are right that targeting Hikivision is quire smart from them because well... who is really want to be seen protecting a spy camera company.. This allows the deep state to punch through business lobby resistance and any possible Democratic party or allied countries resistance by waving the "human rights" flag

The prison labour counter, proposal is also smart move. You can hold the moral ground and give some cover so that lobbies and special interests groups can find a narrative to resist against the US deep state.


All these are well thought proposals. I never bothered to think about possible targets beyond hard-hitting their big companies. But this new approach on sanctioning these kinds of businesses is an idea worth exploring..

If I may add another benefit for China, is that this way China would bring to light the US' dirty laundry in front of the whole world (systemic competition), while introducing more political infighting to US politics because Democrats would have a resurgent progressive wing demanding to resolve these issues. Finally, Democratic / Republican schism would be widened as more friction and spotlight would be introduced in their policies and how they differ

Excellent stuff
CCP should talk about investigating Hunter Biden’s alleged corruption with China. Take initiative on the moral high ground. Looks bad for Dems regardless of the outcome.
 

Overbom

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Good article on Global Times
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India deals a blow to US’ ‘democracy’ narrative
On Tuesday, Denmark's Prime Minister, Mette Frederiksen, urged her visiting Indian counterpart to try to "influence Russia" to end the war. However, no change of tone on the ongoing Russia-Ukraine conflict has been heard from New Delhi.
A "democratic" nation recognized by the West should stand with them, but India is not doing so. Against this backdrop, Washington is trying to use its old trick to divide the world into blocs under its "democratic or authoritarian" narrative while keeping pressuring New Delhi.
India, the world's "largest democracy" as Washington has been trying to portray, has parted ways with the US and its core Western allies over the Ukraine crisis. It is, instead maintaining ties with one of Washington's "authoritarian" rivals to advance its own interests. This is a huge blow to the US's threadbare democracy card.
 
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