Ukrainian War Developments

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Stealthflanker

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Does anyone find the 20,000 number of foreign volunteers credible? I find this highly unlikely.

1. Money, “Hey honey, there’s record breaking inflation going on, but I’m not going to work and fight in this random war… it’s for democracy though! I’m sure you’ll figure out how to keep the gas tank full and the kids fed!” (However, I do think some people are probably sent on a clandestine basis)

2. Only source is the Ukrainian ministry of truth.

3. Logic, 20,000 is basically the entire regular army of some countries. You can barely find enough volunteers in developed countries as is.

Wonder how countries are tracking these guys when they come back. Western governments might be full of crap, but they aren’t that stupid. They know an extremist is an extremist

Yeah. and i also doubt Russia will move 16000 Syrian fighters for very same reason. Plus Syria isnt exactly secure atm, they themselves can always use extra body to maintain the balance there. Also it's gonna entail tons of airlifts and logistics.

The most efficient means would be by ships but with Turkey denying warship access to Black sea, it would be problematic.
 

Mohsin77

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"From an American volunteer on the front lines outside of Kyiv:

"Sitting close to the frontline, the last safe mode of transportation leaves for greener pastures. A core group of about 30 foreign fighters remains out of around 200 people who were here just minutes ago..." 1/

"The base we came from was struck by rockets in the early morning hours. People we lived with for a couple days are confirmed dead. It is only a matter of time before our location is targeted. We are about to be cut off by a Russian tank column any day now..." 2/

The irony...

Until last year, they were fighting against 'foreign fighters' in Afghanistan.

This year, they've become the 'foreign fighters.'

And yet, the result in both wars is the same.
 

Atomicfrog

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They are prob counting also the foreign volunteers in nearby countries helping with the refugees...
Considering that Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union, I don't understand why the avg westerner media/pundit wouldn't think that Ukraine would also be using similar propaganda tactice. Just because something is pseudo-democracy doesn't make it honest
The level of propaganda of Canadian media is clearly on par with Ukrainian and Russian ones... so everyone lies more or less. You need to look at all of them and try to decipher an average...
 

taxiya

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China getting ready to stab Russia in the back:

So this is how it happened. A Chinese adviser to the State Consoul "wrote" a confidential paper meant for internal consumption. The paper is then conveniently "leaked" to western medias that have a long track record of misinformation, manipulation and being habitual liars of every thing of China, the very same media attacking China of "genocide", only this time telling the world that China is going to "stab" China's ally's back.

And you believe it? You think it worth to be propagated?

I always ask people in this forum NOT to post an one liner, NOT to quote any random twitter post, WITHOUT comment. Such post is AGAINST the forum rule.
 
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taxiya

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This analysis is truly awful, not least of all in the simply laughable notion that, by abandoning Russia, China would dampen the anti-China shift in the USA and elsewhere. What does the author imagine is driving current USA-China dynamics? It is certainly not the "democracy vs. autocracy" framework that is fed to the western masses and is apparently reproduced in the author's argument. It is fundamentally about the threat that the rise of China poses to American hegemony, a threat that would exist irrespective of China's form of government and irrespective of its relations with other nations. There are meaningful nuances within this dynamic, and within these nuances lie the prospects for war and peace, prosperity and suffering, but the basic dynamic of increasing tension can only be resolved by winding the clock back on generations of Chinese progress.

What is the worst-case scenario for China in this crisis? It is a collapse of the current Russian regime and its replacement with a US puppet regime that will complete the encirclement of China. China's efforts must be directed to avoiding such an outcome, which in practice means mitigating against the collapse of the present regime. That does not mean unconditional support for Russia, it does not mean that China cannot play a "constructive" role in managing the present crisis, nor does it mean that China has an interest in Putin, specifically, surviving, but it certainly means that China should not "stab Russia in the back".

EDIT: It if were actually true that, by "stabbing Russia in the back", China could significantly defuse escalating tensions with the USA even if only temporarily (say, for the next 15 years) and roll back unwelcome developments such as the "Quad", restrictions on technology imports/exports/etc. then China's path would be clear: stab Russia in the back. But the notion is simply ludicrous. The world does not work that way. At best, the enemy of my enemy is tolerated until I can get around to stabbing them in the back as well.
That twitter post is 99.99% fake and fabrication. It is another information warfare by the west in the very same manner of China's "genocide". It does not worth any logical debate.

See #12,034 for why I just call it a fake.
 
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