Ukrainian War Developments

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enroger

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The boring answer is probably because it involves local animals. Easier to do bat research if you lab is close to bat caves.

Maybe. However those labs being run by the military makes them all kinds of sus, I mean if they're just studying pathogen wouldn't it makes more sense to be under CDC? Moreover their studies should be open to peer review in that case
 

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"They are beautiful and resilient". Canada's CTV news network promoted Ukrainian neonazi in celebrating the Women's day.

On March 8, CTV broadcast video of Ukrainian female soldiers wearing "Schwarze Sonne".

The image and web page recorded by the WayBack Machine archive:

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The tag line "Why you can trust CTV News" is such a laugh in the face of their audience by these journalists liars. Their "Editoral standards and policies" must be a joke.

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Ukraine's ministry of foreign affairs immediately picked up this trash and used it in its own propaganda:

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On March 10, CTV posted this tweet. A nazi symbol is merely "offensive"? Even more disgusting is the 902 likes:

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Investigation by Guancha (in Chinese):
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The way the western media has treated these Ukrainian neo-nazis is bizarre. It's not like in Syria where they went along with the US government narrative that there were "moderate rebels", even as they were beheading people and eating their hearts.

They aren't supporting or condemning them, they're just pretending they don't exist. They're not even saying "okay, they're nazis, but at least they're fighting the Russians", or "Ukrainian nazis don't hate jews that much" like everyone on twitter and reddit is saying.

In fact since the war started I've not seen a single western source mentioning anything about their presence. It's like if Mexico invaded America because white supremacists had taken over, and then no news station reports the fact there are KKK members wandering around everywhere.

Are they just waiting to see how the war goes before deciding whether they're good or bad?
 

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The way the western media has treated these Ukrainian neo-nazis is bizarre. It's not like in Syria where they went along with the US government narrative that there were "moderate rebels", even as they were beheading people and eating their hearts.

They aren't supporting or condemning them, they're just pretending they don't exist. They're not even saying "okay, they're nazis, but at least they're fighting the Russians", or "Ukrainian nazis don't hate jews that much" like everyone on twitter and reddit is saying.

In fact since the war started I've not seen a single western source mentioning anything about their presence. It's like if Mexico invaded America because white supremacists had taken over, and then no news station reports the fact there are KKK members wandering around everywhere.

Are they just waiting to see how the war goes before deciding whether they're good or bad?
In the US and maybe Canada, the reason is that the neo-Nazi’s are considered to be a symbol of white supremacy, which is still considered to be alive and well in different ways by “non-whites”. Considering the fact that they have a lot of “non-white” people, imagine what would happen if the US did exactly what you said. There would be a huge uproar that could quickly spire out of control. Those Syrian rebels don’t pose such a threat to the social fabric of the US, and the Middle East is generally viewed as a place of religious zealots. Contrary to popular belief, the US is very sensitive to race when compared to the Europeans.

For the Europeans, I guess the trauma caused by World War 2 is still there. Any mention of Nazism or neo-Nazis would most likely brings back bad memories of the past.
 
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The boring answer is probably because it involves local animals. Easier to do bat research if you lab is close to bat caves.
Could be, but pathogens and biological specimens can be transported anywhere in the world.

The salary of a Ukrainian microbiologist vs an American one is the most likely reason. I imagine a military contract for research was given to a company who subcontracted it to the Ukraine.
 

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I disagree. Russia was and is not a country that can be completely conquered, even the part west of the Ural. The Oberkommando of the Wehrmacht and the leading generals had therefore Moscow and Leningrad as major obejctives in their papers. The assumed, that Russia could only be defeated, if the central parts of the "Nervous System" of that state would be "beheaded". They wanted the Russians "to be thrown from the saddle" by slicing through the land with the tank armies and take the two major cities. Moscow was by far the most important objectiv. The Moscow of 1812 was different to the one in 1941. In Moscow all the communications and ministries of the Sowjetunion were located. All the center commands of the army were there and issued orders. You cannot move the complete government - "nervous system" out of a city. If the Germans would have taken it, the Empire would be haven been collapsed despite the industry being in the east of the Ural.

Stalin wanted to defeat Moscow and not leave it. Guderian urged Hitler not to attack Ukraine but instead directly carry on to Moscow by the end of August 41. Hitler rejected. The Russians were informed by their master spy Richard Sorge about Moscow as main target and were therefore completely suprised about the sudden change of attack - down south, into Ukraine.

In 1942 - Fall Blau - Hitler ordered his army down south. He lost interest in attacking Moscow once again. In 1941 the oil of the Caucasus played no role in the German strategy.

When Paris fell in 1814, Napoleon was finished. So was Hitler in Berlin. As the Ukranians want to defeat Kiev today, it will be the same result.

Have a nice evening.
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Maybe not be entirely conqured but Russia has been defeated in the past, like 1918.
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Yes, Germany and allies won, Russia lost.
 
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gelgoog

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you do know that Russian always had the capabilities to build a javelin system right? . The problem is that it cost basically an arm and a leg to fire one of this thing and reverser engineering won't solve that and most importantly budget will never allow it.
I think I heard a Russian missile researcher say the sensor in Javelin is way too expensive and finicky to use in the field. I think it needs cryo-cooling. Once the cryogenic gas leaks out you need to refurbish the whole unit.

It's gonna take months for Ukrainian PVO personnel to learn to operate this thing. S-400 is a miles ahead from S-300PS and PM they previously operates, although the principles are similar.
I doubt S-400 would help against Kh-101. The Ukrainians lack the remaining components of the system. The S-400 is part of the IADS but alone is kind of vulnerable.

Russia has set up artillery on the outskirts of Kiev and it seems like them bombardment will start soon
I am kind of surprised I have not seen 2S7M Malka in use yet. It would allow the Russians to hit Kiev from outside most Ukrainian artillery range. The Russians refurbished quite a few of those some years back.

Tell that to Napoleon.
It is kind of pointless to capture Moscow alone. Moscow is more of a trade nexus than an industrial hub.
 

enroger

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Could be, but pathogens and biological specimens can be transported anywhere in the world.

The salary of a Ukrainian microbiologist vs an American one is the most likely reason. I imagine a military contract for research was given to a company who subcontracted it to the Ukraine.

Your explanation would makes sense if they only have those labs in Ukraine, but no, 300 plus all over the world.....

otoh, it can be argued that they don't want to transport dangerous samples over long distances
 

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It wasn't Ukraine that invaded Syria.

Give ISIS some smallpox to drop in US would be karma.
Kind of why I didn't phase it at the Ukrainian civilians who would be most likely suffering from their deployment.
More so aimed at if these mercs end up being prison guards for any western mercs taken prisoner by the Russians. You know the part about not having the same rights as POW under Geneva convention.
 

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In the US and maybe Canada, the reason is that the neo-Nazi’s are considered to be a symbol of white supremacy, which is still considered to be alive and well in different ways by “non-whites”. Considering the fact that they have a lot of “non-white” people, imagine what would happen if the US did exactly what you said. There would be a huge uproar that could quickly spire out of control. Those Syrian rebels don’t pose such a threat to the social fabric of the US, and the Middle East is generally viewed as a place of religious zealots. Contrary to popular belief, the US is very sensitive to race when compared to the Europeans.

For the Europeans, I guess the trauma caused by World War 2 is still there. Any mention of Nazism or neo-Nazis would most likely brings back bad memories of the past.
That may be a reason for why the US government may want to ignore it, but not all news stations and reporters. Unless you believe that they're all controlled by the government? It's not like it's an unrelated matter, it is the main reason Russia uses to justify it's invasion.

I wonder what the plan is going to be when Russia takes more cities and starts pulling down statues of nazi collaborators? Are they going to pretend it's not happening?
 

taxiya

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Well. considering oil price is still measured by USD... i'm kinda get the author's confidence. If Yuan can take over that then dominance of USD may end.
Yuan is not taking over USD in Saudi Oil trading in the near future, but it certainly is going to replace USD or EURO in Russian oil trade very soon, and in near future Iranian oil as well and more.

A person's confidence of his own weight at the moment of standing on the scale is useless and meaningless, because what confidence really matter are 1. the future and 2. elsewhere/others.
 
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