Ukrainian War Developments

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TK3600

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Koala said:
According to Clausewitz the hostile capital is always the primary target for the invader. Never geht distracted by other objectives, try to conquer the capital. The Germans did it wrong in August / September 1941 and took Kiev and the industrial heart of the Ukraine. The attack on Moscow delayed this battle to 1941.09.30. Too late to take Moscow.

The Russians follow the recommendations of Clausewitz and surround Kiev.
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Tell that to Napoleon.
 
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Chish said:
That was the main point of my post before:

Got misunderstood by many but probably I did not express it more clearly. Lol.
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This is an issue that should have been understood from Day one. It's not only Western weaponry that comes with strings attached.
Hopefully the trend towards decoupling from Western products, ideas and networks can start to go ahead full steam now.
 
FairAndUnbiased

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Koala said:
I disagree. Russia was and is not a country that can be completely conquered, even the part west of the Ural. The Oberkommando of the Wehrmacht and the leading generals had therefore Moscow and Leningrad as major obejctives in their papers. The assumed, that Russia could only be defeated, if the central parts of the "Nervous System" of that state would be "beheaded". They wanted the Russians "to be thrown from the saddle" by slicing through the land with the tank armies and take the two major cities. Moscow was by far the most important objectiv. The Moscow of 1812 was different to the one in 1941. In Moscow all the communications and ministries of the Sowjetunion were located. All the center commands of the army were there and issued orders. You cannot move the complete government - "nervous system" out of a city. If the Germans would have taken it, the Empire would be haven been collapsed despite the industry being in the east of the Ural.

Stalin wanted to defeat Moscow and not leave it. Guderian urged Hitler not to attack Ukraine but instead directly carry on to Moscow by the end of August 41. Hitler rejected. The Russians were informed by their master spy Richard Sorge about Moscow as main target and were therefore completely suprised about the sudden change of attack - down south, into Ukraine.

In 1942 - Fall Blau - Hitler ordered his army down south. He lost interest in attacking Moscow once again. In 1941 the oil of the Caucasus played no role in the German strategy.

When Paris fell in 1814, Napoleon was finished. So was Hitler in Berlin. As the Ukranians want to defeat Kiev today, it will be the same result.

Have a nice evening.
Koala
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The fall of Berlin didn't defeat Germany.

Losing most of the Wehrmacht, all conquered German territory, eastern half of Germany, and the other half to US and UK, defeated Germany.
 
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FairAndUnbiased said:
The fall of Berlin didn't defeat Germany.

Losing most of the Wehrmacht, all conquered German territory, eastern half of Germany, and the other half to US and UK, defeated Germany.
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Right. Maybe I did not specify this correctly. Germany was already defeated, but Berlin as capital and center of the Third Reich had to be taken to end the war by eliminating the government.

The capital is most times the spider in the center of the web. The web is good for nothing, when the spider is dead.
 
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pmc said:
Chinese put $75b value of transport over Railway. i dont think Chinese is losing it as it merely replacing Western Auto by Chinese throughout CIS.
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Only 2% of railway transport from China to EU go through Ukraine. It is replaceable with many other routes. Author doesn't even bother to do a data check. It is up to EU to decide if they wanted to do trades using this railway.
 
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