Ukrainian War Developments

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Jingle Bells

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Ukraine entering the EU would be a loss for Russia. The EU has already shown it is a US puppet

And if anyone ask "but who will rebuild Ukraine?", it doesn't matter. Let the country remain in ruins.

Has anyone rebuilt Syria all these years..
Currently, not really.
EU and NATO is two different things, especially now after the war. The war changed the dynamics and relations between EU and NATO (US-centered West). Because the majority of the sanctions led by the US has vastly different economic consequences for the US and the EU.
In simpler words, the US is using the so-called Common Western Values as a moral obligation to coerce the EU to participate in joint actions that will cost the EU an incomparably HIGHER economic cost. It's like the US is earning praises at the cost of EU's huge economic losses. Anyone would HATE such arrangements to the extent of bearing a grudge, even though they might seem obligated at the moment.

This is why I think Putin's war is genius. Of course you can think in very naive terms and think this is somehow a big win for the West and a big loss for Russia. But if you carefully assess the premise and preconditions of those naive conclusions, you will see, that so far this war has actually elevated the already visibly diverging interests of continental Europe (EU) and the US.
 

Jingle Bells

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that is largely accurate. China has a narrow internal focus and glaring holes in its spectrum of power that would not allow it to provide russia with the degree of support substantially different in substance from studied neutrality.


The US is still playing Russian roulette by putting the revolver to the head of the US dollar’s status as the universal reserve currency, pulling the trigger, and seeing the brains get blown out this time or if it might take one or more pull of the trigger later.
My answer to NYT is simply: what make you think China is the only friend of Russia? Just because you are an American news agency and Pax Americana a priori?

No, huge entities like EU, Russia, China does NOT behave like little children playing house. They care about strategic interests. If their strategic interest aligns, they will overcome all obstacles and past grudges and work together. The US media LOVES to stress childish person-to-person dynamics, as if the large entities of the world behaves like American sitcom, because their audiences grew up watching sitcoms, instead of learning history. Well, if they are so keen and insistent upon locking themselves up in their little bubble of English-language media, who am I to burst it?

The strategic interests of EU is NOT in confrontation and cutting trade-ties with Russia. The ultimate national interest of every large entities is ultimately closer relations with everyone else across the world, and gaining interest and profit from these. This is what we truly meant by "expansion". The ONLY case in which a powerful entity will want to cut ties, is because they run into internal structural problem that prevents them from gaining their desired or deserved share of interests/profits from the relations. In fact, when such cases happen, the real problem is NOT the other party, but oneself. If the US could hugely benefit from US-China Trade, she will NOT cut trade relations/ties. If the EU can hugely benefit from EU-Russia trade, She will also NOT cut trade relations/ties. How on earth did EU and US lost the ability to hugely benefit from trade? Only when their relative power over the other party decline to a point where they simple CAN'T deter or control the actions of the other. Therefore, the gist of the problem is the declining ability to influence and persuade the other party to respect oneself.

Therefore, whatever words of bravado, is actually covering up one's declined ability to influence and persuade the other party. Remember that whenever you see such kind of language, you could pretty accurately predict that it's a weakling trying to act triumphant and appear more powerful than he/she really is.

P.S. This American narcissism might also has to do with their unhealth idolatry of the Greco-Roman civilization. They think they are Athenians, Spartans and Romans, thus they must imitate the Classical Era people and make up their own modern mythology: thus they have such truly funny stuff like Marvel version of Greek and Nordic mythology, and even as tacky as "American Gods". HAHAHAHA, the obsessive narcissism of these people! All risen out of that penis-envy ressentiment of lack of history, culture and depth.

Sorry, I think I might be off topic, will stop here.
 
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KYli

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They seem to not able to make up their minds which country Russia or China is their top priority and main adversary. At the same time, they want Russia to fight China and China to fight Russia for them.
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“Shifting blame to China, misleading the world and transferring accountability away from the crisis culprit, this is a malicious intention,” the editorial said.

“The US government routinely feeds information to targeted media like The New York Times in the name of an intelligence organisation in order to spin public opinion to its own advantage.

“Media like The New York Times then play along in a double act by spreading rumours with lies to maximise Washington’s interests. All of this is to cover up the fact that the US was the ultimate culprit in the Ukraine crisis”.


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Richard Santos

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"Friends" tho is a fluid term in politics or international relationship. "common interest" is better to define the relationship between countries.

“Interest” is also a surprisingly fluid term. in fact the magnitude of real national power correlates strongly with fluidity of national interest.
 

Jingle Bells

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“Interest” is also a surprisingly fluid term. in fact the magnitude of real national power correlates strongly with fluidity of national interest.
I disagree entirely. National Interest has always been very very clear and clean cut.
However, this thread is NOT the place to discuss this. I will stop here, and get back on topic.
 
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