Ukrainian War Developments

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Weaasel

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I see a lot of contradictory claims here and in many other forums. Is Russia winning or losing?
If one defines the goal taking territory in the Donbass Region and especially the South, while using Kiev as a decoy to draw away the attention of the Ukrainians away from the South and easy, then Russia is winning, albeit with heavy casualties.
 

Weaasel

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Winning but at higher cost than expected. Think of it that Russia where expected to win in a week taking 200 casualties but instead it looks like it will take 6 weeks and 20000 casualties. But in the end Russia would have destroyed the Ukrainian army so still a win.
Russia suffers higher casualties than your first estimate...
 

Atomicfrog

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I see a lot of contradictory claims here and in many other forums. Is Russia winning or losing?
Depend of the objectives, we don't know them yet... Ukrainian army is melting for sure and Russian army are losing men like they more or less always have. The chaotic and nostalgic way of throwing soldiers at the enemy is incomparable. In any case, Russia still selling fuel and gaz to Europe but at sky high prices right now and Ukraine is becoming a cratered pit of hell.
 

JamesRed

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Of course one cannot conquer without losing men (they shouldn't even try to conquer the whole country, absolutely not), but my point of emphasis is if they truly believed that they'd win in a week, that was extremely irresponsibly hubristic, and they suffered heavy initial casualties for it, by not taking the necessary precautions as was the case during the second Chechnya war during their approach to Grozny.
I don't believe anyone thought Russia would conquer Ukraine in a week. NATO bombed Serbia for 78 days, a country 1/6th the population of Ukraine and 1/6th the land mass. It seems like you're just throwing paint at the wall and hoping something sticks. "They shouldn't advance West". I believe the Russians know what they're doing and potentially training for a situation in which a larger conflict breaks out in the near future.
 

Hendrik_2000

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I would differ on this point. China and USSR were even after the Forgotten War. The 156 projects were sort of compensation from URRS to China. Therefore, before 1991, China and USSR were absolutely even. But since then, China did take advantage of some projects, such as Su27/J11 contract. But nothing major. So there is no such thing of China indebted to Russia in any meaningful way. This time, the quasi-alliance is entirely made in USA.
I don't know what are you talking Korean war? Soviet did provide the bulk of war material in Korean war with implicit promise to help China with reconstruction that is where project 156 come . So not even close to even. The only white country that help China during early year of Japanese Invasion is Soviet Union hundred of tanks, artillery pieces, munition, fuel, fighter and training without it Japan will conquer China and Chinese will be speaking Japanese today!
 
I don't know what are you talking Korean war? Soviet did provide the bulk of war material in Korean war with implicit promise to help China with reconstruction that is where project 156 come . So not even close to even. The only white country that help China during early year of Japanese Invasion is Soviet Union hundred of tanks, artillery pieces, munition, fuel, fighter and training without it Japan will conquer China and Chinese will be speaking Japanese today!

If you would like to post this in the WW2 thread or historical thread, this topic could be further discussed there.
 

Jj888

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China’s opportunity is not to clean up the mess but to get paid (in influence and political credit) for appearing to clean it up. There is definitely such an opportunity, but china is not well prepared to capitalize on it.
Us & Eu nego-shited this.
Now the toilet is choked to overflowing.

Enjoy your shit, dont expect others to clean your back.
 

Temstar

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Guancha's status update for yesterday. Note the dude on the left - he's one of their researcher who normally works behind the scene, he is fluent in Russian and hangs around on Russian social media so can get the view from their perspective. They're getting him to present in front of the big map today because other presenters are busy.

One thing they bought up which matches what I see is a notable reduction of photos and propaganda coming from the Ukrainian side. And that's not just because Mariupol and Kharkiv are largely without power or internet, the number of "convoy ambush" type post have also tricked to a near stop. According to them one reason is the strike on Kiev worked. Recall this:
That one day when the area around the TV broadcast tower in Kiev was hit with Iskander, the 72nd Main Centre for Psychological Special Operations was also hit and keyboard warriors, laptops, servers and building alike were destroyed, degrading Ukraine's cognitive warfare capabilities.

I think aside from that, with the Russians currently holding position and letting supplies catch up there's much less opportunity for Ukrainians to conduct ambushes on convoys too. And since the mechanised units are no longer rushing around at unsustainable speed the "abandoned tank by the road side" thing has also stopped.

Two of them also pointed out that just about all Ukrainian gains we see on internet now are ambushes and sneak attacks by spec op teams. This actually points to these kind of attacks being the only avenue Ukraine is still able to mount offensive operations. All the other technical means of attack such as tactical ballistic missiles and air strikes are no longer available. While yes such attacks are a huge pain in the ass for the Russians they are still trivial when you are talking about 100+ BTGs or an army group sized operation.
 
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