Ukrainian War Developments

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SinoSoldier

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i know all military exaggerate numbers but like 10k, really?
i think its more believable if u told me like the west say in the 1000s. last i heard was 1500

China lost ~20000 men in its 1979 incursion into Vietnam, with estimates ranging from 7000 to 63000, just over a period of a single month. Granted, the technological disparity between China and Vietnam in 1979 is nowhere near that of Russia and Ukraine, but the overall strategy is similar on both sides of the conflict.

I highly doubt Ukraine's estimates, but given the restraint the Russians have placed on strategic and overwhelming fire support, the casualties could be significant.
 

Zichan

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and we have images of Su-34 got shot down... i guess it's the 2nd ? or 3rd ?. Flying low is scary eh.

The pilot is apparently a Syrian veteran, his co-pilot is unfortunately didnt make it.

Are the Russians intensifying their air campaign? Quite a few of their aircraft/helicopters are getting shot down lately. Or perhaps the Stinger shipments from NATO Europe have arrived to battlefield units.
 

ansy1968

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Come on! Russians are currently destroying the whole country ... and from what do you think can Russia afford to rebuild anything of this mess once the war is over!?

Plain naive to think so ... as naive as to believe all propaganda from both sides.
@Deino Sir with all due respect War is hell BUT the way NATO and US wage them are more savage and indiscriminating.
 

ArmchairAnalyst

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Exactly sane people with a bit brain should know Here is what Kissinger has to say about this whole fiasco. Another this western politician completely ignorant when it come to history Ukraine like Taiwan can never be just another foreign country is part of identity what it mean to be Russian or Chinese I can understand that.

The West must understand that, to Russia, Ukraine can never be just a foreign country. Russian history began in what was called Kievan-Rus. The Russian religion spread from there. Ukraine has been part of Russia for centuries, and their histories were intertwined before then. Some of the most important battles for Russian freedom, starting with the Battle of Poltava in 1709, were fought on Ukrainian soil. The Black Sea Fleet – Russia’s means of projecting power in the Mediterranean – is based by long-term lease in Sevastopol, in Crimea. Even such famed dissidents as Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn and Joseph Brodsky insisted that Ukraine was an integral part of Russian history and, indeed, of Russia.

The European Union must recognize that its bureaucratic dilatoriness and subordination of the strategic element to domestic politics in negotiating Ukraine’s relationship to Europe contributed to turning a negotiation into a crisis. Foreign policy is the art of establishing priorities.

The Ukrainians are the decisive element. They live in a country with a complex history and a polyglot composition. The Western part was incorporated into the Soviet Union in 1939, when Stalin and Hitler divided up the spoils. Crimea, 60 per cent of whose population is Russian, became part of Ukraine only in 1954 , when Nikita Khrushchev, a Ukrainian by birth, awarded it as part of the 300th-year celebration of a Russian agreement with the Cossacks. The West is largely Catholic; the East largely Russian Orthodox. The West speaks Ukrainian; the East speaks mostly Russian. Any attempt by one wing of Ukraine to dominate the other – as has been the pattern – would lead eventually to civil war or breakup. To treat Ukraine as part of an East-West confrontation would scuttle for decades any prospect to bring Russia and the West – especially Russia and Europe – into a cooperative international system.

Ukraine has been independent for only 23 years; it had previously been under some kind of foreign rule since the 14th century. Not surprisingly, its leaders have not learned the art of compromise, even less of historical perspective. The politics of post-independence Ukraine clearly demonstrates that the root of the problem lies in efforts by Ukrainian politicians to impose their will on recalcitrant parts of the country, first by one faction, then by the other. That is the essence of the conflict between Viktor Yanukovych and his principal political rival, Yulia Tymoshenko. They represent the two wings of Ukraine and have not been willing to share power. A wise U.S. policy toward Ukraine would seek a way for the two parts of the country to cooperate with each other. We should seek reconciliation, not the domination of a faction.

Russia and the West, and least of all the various factions in Ukraine, have not acted on this principle. Each has made the situation worse. Russia would not be able to impose a military solution without isolating itself at a time when many of its borders are already precarious. For the West, the demonization of Vladimir Putin is not a policy; it is an alibi for the absence of one.

Putin should come to realize that, whatever his grievances, a policy of military impositions would produce another Cold War. For its part, the United States needs to avoid treating Russia as an aberrant to be patiently taught rules of conduct established by Washington. Putin is a serious strategist – on the premises of Russian history. Understanding U.S. values and psychology are not his strong suits. Nor has understanding Russian history and psychology been a strong point of U.S. policymakers.
Leaders of all sides should return to examining outcomes, not compete in posturing. Here is my notion of an outcome compatible with the values and security interests of all sides:
Henry Kissinger is one mean cold-hearted sob but he knows geopolitics on the very highest level both academically and in real world practice as both former US adviser for national security affairs and US secretary of state . Do you have the link to his statement?
 

Anlsvrthng

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Come on! Russians are currently destroying the whole country ... and from what do you think can Russia afford to rebuild anything of this mess once the war is over!?

Plain naive to think so ... as naive as to believe all propaganda from both sides.
This is no a typical USA war 5000 miles from CONUS.

IT is a war waged in the neigbrought country.


And the USA and Europe view about wars different.

Again, at the moment everyone in EE become a prepper.

in 2013 if I mentioned a person that I have a post apocaliptic geiger and kits for a nuclear war he said I am nut.

The same person now ask "where I could buy , how much and could you show how it works?"

In hungary the passport applications jumped by fourfold, it is not possible to get appointment earlier than April for any passport.
 

Zichan

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The latest visually identified tally brings the Russian tank losses to 99 pieces. The majority are T-72 variants. Relatively many T-80Us among the lost units. Also 9 T-90 tanks.

2/3 of the tanks were either captured or abandoned. They probably suffered mechanical breakdowns, ran out of fuel/ammo or got stuck in mud. Maybe a few instances of morale failure?

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Deino

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@Deino Sir with all due respect War is hell BUT the way NATO and US wage them are more savage and indiscriminating.


Plaese read the rules for this thread again. We can all have different opinions but spreading lies from propaganda videos from either side as FACTS will led to consequences.

As such, Yes in return", "Sir with all due respect War is hell BUT" ... and in no way I excuse any other war, but not only Western countries rate this war not a war provoked by NATO and the West, but an plain and simple break of an UN charta by which international borders are untouchable. This cannot be justified by other wars, the US or the West started, but plain by policy and power, but it still makes it not correct. Therefore IMO the biggest fear was/is democracy and the free will of a neighbouring nation and not the NATO, but again, that MY opinion.

Anyway, I'm most surprised that China, which always stands to the rule that national borders and the national sovereignty are untouchable! Since suddenly it seem,s to be legit!
 

siegecrossbow

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Microsoft announced today that it will be suspending any future sales and services within the Russian federation in compliance with U.S. sanctions for the foreseeable future.

They will honor any pre-existing deals and services until they expire; Russia predominantly uses Microsoft products and services, most notably Windows OS.

If that means no more automatic updates then it is actually a plus.
 
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