No. I would not have. That's why I called it out. They have been Russian the whole time. They threatened to secede in 1994. It was an agreement of autonomy that made it so they'd stay.
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No. I would not have. That's why I called it out. They have been Russian the whole time. They threatened to secede in 1994. It was an agreement of autonomy that made it so they'd stay.
China commissioned 10 Destroyers last year while the US commissioned 1. To anyone with any common sense it has already been seen.
Yes, the US has to use most of its shipbuilding industrial to support its navy, while China is only using a tiny portion.
@JamesRed BUT BUT, our destroyers are true AEGIS Ship equip with PEZA radar while the Chinese ships are not.
China doesn't look for "Allies" and "Friends" they look for partners (in Trade, research, etc.) , they don't give a damn about the country politics or religion or if the country is the most liberal democracy or the most brutal dictatorship, they don't care, as long there is mutual respect and non interference. Even today the Chinese are trying to get a peace deal with Ukraine and talking with the government and if a peace deal is broke then China will do business with Ukraine like they will do business with Russia. They will do business with ALL U.S. "Allies" and "Friends" as long there are mutual respect. That is the secret of the Chinese success.
Look at the geographic map of the invasion, Both of the major Russian land drives, down from north down into Kyiv, and up from the south from Crimea through Kherson, are alone the Dniper river, the major river in Ukraine that supply water to much the agriculture in Ukraine.
much of Dniper between Kyiv and Kherson consisted of a cascading series of hydroelectric damns and reservoirs, one after another, built by Stalin And Khrushchev. These reservoirs boardens much of the river into a wide and massive water barrier that divides Ukraine 30/70 east and west.
Look at the linguistic and ethnographic map of Ukraine. Much of Ukraine near the mouth of the Dniper is primarily Russian speaking and ethnically Russian. About 3/4 of Ukraine to the east of Dniper, which is about 30% of all of Ukraine, is also heavily (about half) Russian speaking and ethnically Russia. But most Ukraine to the west of Dniper is primarily Ukrainian speaking, with small parts of western Ukraine, primarily the parts stalin took from other countries at the end of WWII and appended to Ukraine, being primarily Romanian, Hungarian, modovians, polish.
It looks very much like Putin meant to secure the northern and southern ends of Dniper river in Ukraine. The northern and southern bridgeheads would then be joined by a long, almost continuous series of reserviros along the Dniper river that would then form a barrier between a future Russian Ukraine to the east, and an Ukrainian Ukraine to the west.
Whether he will annex the eastern Ukraine to Russia out right is hard to say. But I suspect that is the long term objective if not the next thing on the road map Because it is heavily Russian in ethnic make up to start with.
But I suspect he will not annex western Ukraine to the west of Dniper. It is enthnically and linguistically non-Russia. He will undoubtedly want to install a pro-Russian government in western Ukraine, although what form it also hard to say. But he will also likely insist that the Russia or the eastern Russia dominated part of Ukraine retain full control of the Dniper reservoirs, because controlling those reservoirs undoubtedly controls the agriculture of much of Ukraine. So Russian control of try Dniper river and its reservoirs ensures, from Russian perspective, permanent good, Russian friendly future behavior of the part of Ukraine that is not under Russian control.
much of Dniper between Kyiv and Kherson consisted of a cascading series of hydroelectric damns and reservoirs, one after another, built by Stalin And Khrushchev. These reservoirs boardens much of the river into a wide and massive water barrier that divides Ukraine 30/70 east and west.
Look at the linguistic and ethnographic map of Ukraine. Much of Ukraine near the mouth of the Dniper is primarily Russian speaking and ethnically Russian. About 3/4 of Ukraine to the east of Dniper, which is about 30% of all of Ukraine, is also heavily (about half) Russian speaking and ethnically Russia. But most Ukraine to the west of Dniper is primarily Ukrainian speaking, with small parts of western Ukraine, primarily the parts stalin took from other countries at the end of WWII and appended to Ukraine, being primarily Romanian, Hungarian, modovians, polish.
It looks very much like Putin meant to secure the northern and southern ends of Dniper river in Ukraine. The northern and southern bridgeheads would then be joined by a long, almost continuous series of reserviros along the Dniper river that would then form a barrier between a future Russian Ukraine to the east, and an Ukrainian Ukraine to the west.
Whether he will annex the eastern Ukraine to Russia out right is hard to say. But I suspect that is the long term objective if not the next thing on the road map Because it is heavily Russian in ethnic make up to start with.
But I suspect he will not annex western Ukraine to the west of Dniper. It is enthnically and linguistically non-Russia. He will undoubtedly want to install a pro-Russian government in western Ukraine, although what form it also hard to say. But he will also likely insist that the Russia or the eastern Russia dominated part of Ukraine retain full control of the Dniper reservoirs, because controlling those reservoirs undoubtedly controls the agriculture of much of Ukraine. So Russian control of try Dniper river and its reservoirs ensures, from Russian perspective, permanent good, Russian friendly future behavior of the part of Ukraine that is not under Russian control.
Yes, national identity transcends language. What seems to be happening in the last few years had been the movement on the one hand to push for a Ukrainian identity to separate themselves away from Russia and tilt more towards the West. Part of that was internal. We all want to identify with areas with more prosperity. Just look at Hong Kong. Part of that was pushed by the U.S. and the West. This movement have reached a very high anti-Russian pitch. On the other hand, there were reaction to this movement, which also were pushed by the Russians. This could not possibly end well, and indeed, what happened today is the result.
It is quite unfortunate that Ukraine either do not have wise leadership or the leaders were simply puppets for local or foreign powers. They did not have to go down this path. There were many other choices since independence that would lead to a much better outcome for Ukraine.
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