Chinese Hypersonic Developments (HGVs/HCMs)

supercat

Major
The key point of China's HGV test was that a glider circled the globe for the first time ever.
Milley is the first official to confirm a Financial Times report that China had tested a nuclear-capable hypersonic weapon. On July 27 it launched a hypersonic glide vehicle — which travels at more than five times the speed of sound and can manoeuvre like the space shuttle — on a rocket.

The Long March rocket entered lower earth orbit before the glide vehicle at some point detached, re-entered the atmosphere and sped towards its target. The test was the first time any country had sent a hypersonic weapon fully around the Earth.
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AssassinsMace

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Interesting how what they use to ridicule about China's capabilities and then there's a breakthrough, they all of the sudden deny they ever did that. They did that with stealth fighters. I remember hearing jokes about how China would have someone forced to sacrifice their lives when China had a rocket launched because someone had to go out to the launch pad and light the fuse with a match. And now with this hypersonic development they've already forgotten how they use to ridicule Chinese ICBM ranges. With this, it's the whole world in range. China can conventionally strike their carriers in their homeports in their own countries. The dream of the US's Prompt Global Strike realized in China. Yes it's DefCon1 for the pride police.
 

escobar

Brigadier
DoD is developing hypersonic missiles, he said, but is not moving as fast as China due to a risk-averse culture that fears negative media coverage and scrutiny. Decades ago the Pentagon made fast strides in weapons development by using iterative testing and accepting frequent failures in order to learn and improve the system for the next attempt.

“We are not doing that anymore,” said Hyten. He mentioned a hypersonic technology vehicle program led by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency that more than a decade ago developed next-generation systems “ahead of everyone else in the world.” But a couple of failed tests led to years of investigations “and then we canceled the program. Hyten suggested that China is “doing it the way we used to do it, and they move fast.”
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longmarch

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This guy is screaming for money ;)
Of course the truth is deeper than that. At the minimum, today's America care more about people's sexual orientation and skin color than their capabilities. Big corporations behave even worse than China's state own enterprises. Greed and short term profit more important than anything else. And there is a genuine decline of engineering capabilities, not just in defense industry.
Look at Intel. Were they ever short of money to do what they were supposed to do? Now they want subsidies to be competitive, so that they can keep their big fat profit.

This is not sputnik moment, because you won't see US mount a systematic comeback again. While China is firing on all cylinders (not to say China doesn't have her own problems), US politicians are busy fighting for partisan interests domestically. And internationally, they still see American as supreme power, that they can solve problems by pushing around through abduction, sanctions and intimidation while ignoring all established consensus and rules. Good luck with that.
People say never underestimate United States. Yeah I heard of that.but no one is trying to replace their role. So nothing to worry about.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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This guy is screaming for money ;)
No, he's not. He's giving as honest as assessment of the facts at his disposal as he can while remaining within the bounds of what he's allowed to say. It is simply a fact that China's hypersonic weapons program is more advanced than Americans. This is a splendid achievement that China's supporters should celebrate, not downplay with banal truisms like the Pentagon is always begging for more money.
 

Blitzo

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No, he's not. He's giving as honest as assessment of the facts at his disposal as he can while remaining within the bounds of what he's allowed to say. It is simply a fact that China's hypersonic weapons program is more advanced than Americans. This is a splendid achievement that China's supporters should celebrate, not downplay with banal truisms like the Pentagon is always begging for more money.

I mean, there's no reason both cannot be true.

That said, I am not fully convinced that China's hypersonic weapons program is significantly more advanced than that of the US.
There are certain weapons and vehicular systems types that have yet to reach a stage of maturity that we know of to make that call.

After all, the US military has a history of describing close competitors as being ahead of them, simply due to the notion that anything less than all aspect generational superiority against their potential adversaries, is seen as the US falling behind in competitiveness.
 
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