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plawolf

Lieutenant General
Why do we care what loud mouth idiots like that says?

Go have a look at who holds Evergrande bonds and debt and see who will get burnt by a default.

China can and almost certainly will step in to protect the 1.5m Chinese consumers who put down deposits in good faith with Evergrande, as many western countries do when companies fail, foreign investors can go take a walk.
 

Phead128

Captain
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Such speculation is no better than "fortune telling" IMO. In an analogue, I can say that your wife will divorce you for someone else in 5 years because this has happened to many people of various background. I can find various sets of similarities between you and others. Will you agree with me today? Should I insist to make my prediction to you? Do you see a reason to argue with me?

You act like my wife (Russia) and myself (China) has never been married before (read:
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) and divorced before (read:
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), even to the point of wife considering domestic abuse and murder (read:
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strike) against the husband.

The probability of future divorce is very different for re-marriage with ex-wife compared to first-marriage with a new wife. It would be an "educated guess" to suggest that future divorce rate is high between Russia-China given the past failed marriage and even weaker common ideology and common enemy compared to the Cold War era. In other words, "Anti-US hegemonism" is an insufficient glue to bind Soviet and China, and likely an insufficient glue to bind Russia and China in any formal alliance structure.
 

horse

Major
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There are dummies.

Then there are American dummies.

Whether China wants to be strong or not, that is not up to the Americans to decide.

How can that be?


It seems what this is, it is an expression of the imperialist ideology.

What Crammer is saying is old time imperialist ideology.

However, since this is America, they can say whatever they want, since that is protected by the US Constitution and by the powers of President Trump, though no one is gonna actually carry out this imperialist ideology.

If they do attempt to implement this imperialist ideology onto others, all I remember is Chairman Mao quotations.

"The Americans are unreasonable. Give them no choice then they are reasonable."

:D
 

Overbom

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You act like my wife (Russia) and myself (China) has never been married before (read:
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) and divorced before (read:
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), even to the point of wife considering domestic abuse and murder (read:
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) against hubby.

The probability of future divorce is very different for re-marriage with ex-wife compared to first-marriage with a new wife. It would be an "educated guess" to suggest that future divorce rate is high between Russia-China given the past failed marriage and even weaker common ideology and common enemy compared to the Cold War era.
I dont understand what you are saying.

The current China-Russia relationship has decoupled from any previous (IMO misguided) ideological marriage.

In contrast, these new foundations of converging national interests are far more stable than ever before. This is the true strength of the relationship of China and Russia

You pay far too much attention on history. While history is certainly useful enough, it isn't a magical device which predicts the future.

TLDR: Western wet dreams about breaking China and Russia are fantasies of the delusional West which has just realised that when China secured Russia as a friend, it had already won half the war for becoming a superpower.
 

horse

Major
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In contrast, these new foundations of converging national interests are far more stable than ever before. This is the true strength of the relationship of China and Russia

Yup, tend to agree completely.

Sometime times passes by, and we do not notice anything changing. It was gradual but now seem permanent.

That is how relationships are I suppose. They evolve and some relationships can grow.

Let's look at it from the perspective of Uncle Vlad.

Now Uncle Vlad has been in power for a long time, even when Sonny Kim's father was still alive.

During that time, Putin had Russia fight two Chechen civil wars, a couple wars in countries with huge Russian minorities, and an ever expanding NATO towards its borders. That is what faced Russia under Putin when facing west.

Looking east, all Russia has seen is development, pipelines, increasing trade.

Seems like Russia and China interests have never been more aligned with the circumstances of the other. They are good neighbours to use that expression.

That sly fox Putin knows what he is doing.

:oops: :p

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Phead128

Captain
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TLDR: Western wet dreams about breaking China and Russia are fantasies of the delusional West which has just realised that when China secured Russia as a friend, it had already won half the war for becoming a superpower.

Woah buddy. I don't disagree that Russia is a friend of China, but we are talking about formal treaty alliance, which is very different from just being friends or strategic partners or a circle-jerk.

Looking way too much at history? China does 10X more trade with US than it does with Russia. The reality is, "anti-Americanism" won't result in a Sino-Russian alliance against US or NATO.

Also, I am a Chinese nationalist who distinctly remembers the Tsarist Russian annexation of Qing Chinese territory, imposition of Unequal Treaties, and treating China like an subordinate junior partner during Korean War. If you conveniently brush aside history, you are doomed to repeat the same mistake again in the future. China should never pursue a formal treaty alliance with Russia.
 
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Bellum_Romanum

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Why do we care what loud mouth idiots like that says?

Go have a look at who holds Evergrande bonds and debt and see who will get burnt by a default.

China can and almost certainly will step in to protect the 1.5m Chinese consumers who put down deposits in good faith with Evergrande, as many western countries do when companies fail, foreign investors can go take a walk.
I will not make any overt political comments that could potentially land myself into the pit of landmines.
 
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