Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[Phead128]

Nonsense. Opening the Middle Kingdom -- with or without a zillion boosters -- is a terrible strategy.

Seasonal Booster shots tailored to specific variants is an excellent strategy.

Booster shots tailored to specific variants will SIGNIFICANTLY reduce hospitalization and death. Indeed, the booster shots will not provide 100% protection against infection, and there will be new breakthrough cases due to new variants popping up, but you can address those variants as needed with a seasonal booster shot tailored to the next dominant viral strain. It's the exact same strategy we use for influenza seasonal flu and how we deal with new viral strains of the influenza virus.

It only takes one lethal and transmissible variant to kill tens of millions of people.

and all it takes is one booster shot specifically tailored to this lethal variant to render it mostly harmless.

You do know that vaccines can be specifically tailored to new variants right? You act like vaccines are all useless. You can easily take the spike protein of the Delta-variant and translate it into mRNA vaccine in less than 1 week. The turnaround time is very quick.

With 24,000 mutations just from India, the probability of deadly variants goes up enormously.

24,000 mutations per year from a single country is relatively slow. That's even slower than SAR-CoV-1 and Influenza virus. 99.9% of these mutations do not increase transmissibility or lethality. Influenza viruses mutate WAY faster, and I don't see you asking for lockdowns because of the possibility of influenza viruses mutating into a deadlier form.

It's utterly irresponsible to add China's billion people to a global reservoir that's already of gigantic size.

If they are fully-vaccinated 1 billion Chinese with 2nd-gen vaccines, and 99% of vaccinated who are infected do not die, why do you care about variants, when there is boosters specifically tailored to new variants, and another 7 billion human hosts and another 100Trillion Bats, Deers, Dogs, Cats, Civets, Pangolins were variants can mutate and thrive?

You are in a narrow-minded mindset of "disease eradication" which is fully impossible. Get vaccinated and get boosters. You can't eradicate the disease, it's not possible. (China can, but if vaccines can reduce deaths significantly, then what is the cost-benefit ratio?)

 

[Phead128]

Myocarditis is a most well known serious side effect of Pfizer mRNA vaccine as far as I know. It's seem to predominantly affecting young male although at very low rate. But we dun know the full story I suspect

I got the Pfizer shot, and had chest pains 1.5 weeks after my second shot, like heart palpatations and fatigue. I went to the emergency room, they did the full D-dimer to check for blood clots/embolism, troponin-levels to detect pericarditis and myocarditis. It was all negative. They blamed it on esophageal spasms due to acid reflux? Nigga, I never experienced that before the shot or even after the shot. It was definitely the vaccine.

So for sure, Pfizer has some side-effects like chest pains and heart issues. but I'm sure COVID would have triggered the same reactions too given the damage COVID does to the vascular system. The Pfizer symptoms disappeared, but COVID is long-lasting in some patients.

 

[9dashline]

I got the Pfizer shot, and had chest pains 1.5 weeks after my second shot, like heart palpatations and fatigue. I went to the emergency room, they did the full D-dimer to check for blood clots/embolism, troponin-levels to detect pericarditis and myocarditis. It was all negative. They blamed it on esophageal spasms due to acid reflux? Nigga, I never experienced that before the shot or even after the shot. It was definitely the vaccine.

So for sure, Pfizer has some side-effects like chest pains and heart issues. but I'm sure COVID would have triggered the same reactions too given the damage COVID does to the vascular system. The Pfizer symptoms disappeared, but COVID is long-lasting in some patients.

Not be too haste, there have been no long term studies against this experimental emergency use only mRNA gene therapy, you don't know some years down the road what will happen long term to you, esp now it seems like in the US they will mandate not only the first two shots but very shortly thereafter the neverending boosters

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

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Get countries to spurn Chinese vaccines then Pfizer can hold them hostage to make demands.

From the same article:

"The Bureau of Investigative Journalism reported in February that Pfizer had demanded Brazil and Argentina put up sovereign assets as collateral to guarantee indemnity, as well as create a guarantee fund with money deposited in a foreign bank account. Pfizer said it had not interfered “with any country’s diplomatic, military, or culturally significant assets”.

And here it is, ladies and gentlemen, the infamous debt trap policy that's always been the hall mark of western led countries and corporations practices all throughout the ages that they are so busy hurting nonsense and expressing both their frustrations and projections to China for daring to challenge the west's virtual monopoly on pretty much everything.

But I don't really feel bad towards the current government of Brazil led by little Pipito a.k.a. Bolsonaro for getting into this mess. He deserves every shit that's coming his way and then some.

 

[Nutrient]

Seasonal Booster shots tailored to specific variants is an excellent strategy.

That's a terrible strategy. Everyone gets seasonal boosters -- and then a deadly variant arises that kills tens of millions. Should the people advocating the booster-and-opening-up strategy, such as yourself, be arrested for the mass murder? Remember, you want China to abandon a program that is known to WORK. Should we hold you personally responsible if your alternative kills millions?

I am ignoring the rest of your comment; I want to keep this reply short.

 

[WTAN]

EU is looking into the possible side effects of mRNA vaccines in relation to the inflammation of the heart and kidney problems but still stressing benefits outweigh the risk.

That may be the case for Europe but for China with its almost nonexistent cases of infection, inactivated vaccines, possibly working with booster shots as appropriate, are probably the better choice over the mRNA vaccines.

In the comment section, one chap mentions about 2 vaccinated youngsters (in Singapore) having come down with serious heart inflammation/heart attack with one of them ending up dead. In China's case with its huge population, that number of people could be amplified like 1400/5 times had the country been using mRNA vaccines.

Interesting to note that the Europeans are finally waking up to the potential long term side effects of the Mrna Gene Therapy.
But it is too late of course as most EU and US Citizens have now been injected with these vaccines.
If there are side effects in large numbers of people, you can expect huge class action lawsuits against these pharmaceutical companies.
A French company is developing the EUs first inactivated vaccine called Valneva.

 

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[LawLeadsToPeace]

Looks like Denmark will be a test of whether or not the vaccines can hold the line:

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[solarz]

Looks like Denmark will be a test of whether or not the vaccines can hold the line:

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This is not going to end well.

 

[Pendemic]

A positive story! South America’s infection rates have surprisingly gone down significantly in recent weeks. Whilst the jury Is still out as to whether this is a sustainable trend, the Western MSM is not surprisingly pretending to be dumb by not thinking of the obvious answer - effective vaccines. Well, considering that SA is largely Sinovac/Sinopharm territory, it does make sense as to why MSM is burying it head in the sand.

(The original article was in NYT, you may not be able to see it due to the paywall so I’ve also posted a free reproduction of the same article from Puerto Rico.)

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