China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

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JSL

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How? is it shorter? ... what range is needed for ICBM to strike the whole USA via South Pole from Hainan?

18,000 KM !!

Go look up Russia's Samrat Missile. It has the ability to strike the US from the south pole even lunched from Russia.

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A lengthened DF-41 can definitely do the trick, with 30% increase in range, it will be at 19500 KM and deliver at least 5 MIRV with decoys from the south pole.
 

bustead

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Couple of points

If you want to cause the most destruction, it's better to use multiple smaller warheads to cover a larger area than one big warhead.
You can see the evolution in size from the W88 to the W76 warhead. It also reduces the risk from ABM defences and warhead failures.

Plus if you assume that a DF-41 ICBM has 10x W76-type nuclear warheads, then the number of DF-41 ICBMs required is far lower than the 350 silos currently under construction, for most scenarios.

Personally, I don't see China going above 1000 deliverable warheads against the continental USA. That is more than enough for MAD.
And there to be a total of 1500 warheads overall, which is just *equal* to what Russia or the USA has.

I also expect the USA to go ape when this happens, and then start a self-imposed arms race at its nuclear *inferiority* to a combined Russia+China arsenal.

But if China has an economy 2x larger than the USA in 10 years time and China is happy with the current size of its nuclear arsenal, who is going to go bankrupt first in an arms race?

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As I said previously, it's kind of sad this is happening
But it's the inevitable logic of cold war competition

And the more than the US talks about Taiwan, the faster China's military spending grows

I am more focused towards calculating launchers. Having multiple warheads on a single ICBM means that a single enemy hit can destroy a large number of warheads. Thus, even if DF-41 can carry more warheads, I'd rather load them with 4 warheads and lots of decoys to ensure penetration of enemy defenses. Unless of course China has a large number of warheads, which would be costly.

Also, smaller warheads (such as the Chinese 575 warhead or the American W76) are less effective in destroying large cities. The idea is that larger warheads will be reserved for hardened targets and large cities while smaller warheads will be used for general destruction.
 

bustead

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1000 warheads or so is enough to cover US, Europe, and have some left over. It's just that the top two nuclear stockpilers have enough to weather successful first strikes on them and still be able to end half the world. China having a larger nominal economy when adjusted for PPP and having more people than both Europe and USA combined is justification enough to consider stockpiling as much as the US and Russia already have been doing for decades. China has been threatened by the US several times in history and US hawks constantly consider first strike option. Europe doesn't need stockpiles because no one is constantly threatening to nuke them. Not even Russia does that on Europe or would really want to at all.

China is not only being threatened by the US but tacitly by the UK and the other vassals albeit with much less enthusiasm. It deserves and ought to stockpile at least 1000 MT range warheads and have them in TELs, underground networks, silos all around the country and in the form of the 72 JL-2, Type 094 based missiles. This should be expanded to China "mass producing" new DF-5s or superior platforms that include HGV delivered warheads which is probably why they are expanding now (because they are arming new heavy ICBMs with HGVs). DF-41 and JL-3 should become mainstay long range mobile ICBMs.
1000 warheads can be enough if you launch first. Not if an enemy first strike destroys part of your arsenal before you can fire.
 

bustead

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Two missiles at two E-2 Hawkeye sized aircraft targets. One hit the target, the other missed but the E-2 will be severely damaged in real combat situation. So that is why they were talking about enemy’s key communications node in the official report
These missiles can be used to destroy hardened aircraft shelters. Then less accurate missiles with cluster munitions can be used to sweep the parking areas to ensure the destruction of all enemy aircraft still on the ground.
 

bustead

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18,000 KM !!

Go look up Russia's Samrat Missile. It has the ability to strike the US from the south pole even lunched from Russia.

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A lengthened DF-41 can definitely do the trick, with 30% increase in range, it will be at 19500 KM and deliver at least 5 MIRV with decoys from the south pole.
That means the missile will be too heavy for road transport. Perhaps limiting it to silo and rail deployment.
 

JSL

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That means the missile will be too heavy for road transport. Perhaps limiting it to silo and rail deployment.

Yes, the silo base DF-41 should be a much longer and heavier version with greatly extended range enable China to strike the US from the South Pole, completely bypassing their missile defense shield !!

Maybe that's why all the silos are being build under a dome to hide the length of the silos !!
 

antiterror13

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Yes, the silo base DF-41 should be a much longer and heavier version with greatly extended range enable China to strike the US from the South Pole, completely bypassing their missile defense shield !!

Maybe that's why all the silos are being build under a dome to hide the length of the silos !!

So the US has no or little defense shield for ICBM coming from South?

The US simply just build one!, is it super expensive ? ... just print more $
 

Godzilla

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Yes, the silo base DF-41 should be a much longer and heavier version with greatly extended range enable China to strike the US from the South Pole, completely bypassing their missile defense shield !!

Maybe that's why all the silos are being build under a dome to hide the length of the silos !!
errr.. doesnt that mean passing through Australia? surely that Jindalee thing will pick up the launches....
 

escobar

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